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the smoke radio

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for the masses headline edition july 8th

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1947.

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the army air forces has announced that a

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flying disc has been found

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and is now in the possession of the army

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if the game is rigged

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change the game game changer

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i occasionally think how quickly our

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differences worldwide

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would vanish if we were facing an alien

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this is fade to black with your host

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jimmy church

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on the game changer radio network and

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kgra

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the global radio alliance

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i need your help to get to the year

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you are listening to fate to black with

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jimmy church on the game changer network

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good evening peter black

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bespoke radio for

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the masses

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uh yeah man how you doing today is

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tuesday december 22nd

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2020 357 days into the new year

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only nine days left

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only three days

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three days until christmas man

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we are live from a bunker somewhere in

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the middle of beautiful downtown burbank

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california and i would like to welcome

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everybody listening all around the world

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all across the united states hither and

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tether to and fro

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back and forth up and down east and west

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north and south far

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and near this is fade to block

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for kjcr the game changer network and

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kgra the planet i

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am your host jimmy church what is

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cracking everybody how you doing

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how you doing last night last night

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ryan's pray

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james fox james fox is here we're going

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to be talking about his new film the

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phenomenon

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because i'm sure you've seen the film

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and if you haven't seen it you need to

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go and see it

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right there it's on amazon but you just

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we'll be talking about ttsa

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tonight out of the gate tomorrow night

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live from the uk ronnie dugdale is here

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yeah his contribution uh to john

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burroughs new book the weaponization of

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absolutely incredible so uh looking

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forward to that finally getting ronnie

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uh two first-time guests this week right

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ryan last night

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ronnie tomorrow night i love that love

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that when that happens

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okay oh what was i uh

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uh thursday night of course is christmas

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and it's fader night so we're gonna

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spend our christmas eve with

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all of you it's gonna be great lots to

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this is why one of the reasons why i

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china and i'm gonna show this to you

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right here

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this is a clip-on guitar tuner

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okay you clip it on the top of your

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guitar and the headstock and then it

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picks up the vibration

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and and you can tune your guitar

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right look at that tiny cool

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great screen works right works perfectly

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right isn't that isn't that nifty

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free delivery look

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it's oh man

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uh merry christmas to me thank you santa

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that's just absolutely incredible and

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um uh i've been getting a lot of

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and a lot of conversation a lot of email

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jimmy

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uh you seem to be doing so much better

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on this covid thing i'm at

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60 i fake it but um what is it what's

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the secret what are you doing

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and i said well cbd

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thousand milligrams in the morning and

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at night

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tons of advil there's all of this advil

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talk don't take advil

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advil works for me tylenol did not work

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fighting these headaches advil

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sweet tart ropes that's right that's the

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cure for covid right there covet 19

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sweet tart ropes

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have you done these things yet right

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there that'll cure

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everything that ills you all right

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got my copy of uh finally got my copy of

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woke doesn't mean broke and uh look at

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that look how thick this thing's

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600 and almost 700 pages if you haven't

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gotten it yet

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head over to forbidden knowledge uh

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dot com for bid knowledge tv go and get

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your copy of woke is not broke i wrote

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the forward to it

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pretty cool right right in the front too

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you just open this thing up it's like

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and uh and seeing that in print is uh

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it's pretty cool so get your copy woke

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doesn't mean broke by billy carson all

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everybody on youtube facebook

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the bunker cam ubm what is up

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everybody in twitter hashtag f2b

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in the sandbox everybody is over we

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so i apologize for all of that but hello

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to everybody the speaker chat room

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and of course twitter i talk stream live

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k g r a the planet

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all right let's move forward let's get

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all right let's go right now breaking

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failed to meet a deadline for passage of

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the 2020 and 2021

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budgets israel will now head to

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and blue and white leader benny gantz

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that's crazy you think we're going

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you know everything's over with now you

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move on through 2021 let's get all the

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antarctica can no longer laying claim

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that one person with covid

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everybody enclosed right that's it i

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everybody's gonna get it apple

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is in the news today apple

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we know we know a few things one

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apple makes the iphone right we know

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they make the ipad i don't know how many

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they make air pods i don't know how many

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air pods floating around the house they

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no news on the name yet by the way

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the self-driving electric will use a

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chemistry which is less prone to

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it will also use the lidar sensors

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absolutely nuts well earlier today

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followed a multi-year investigation

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holy crap let's get to show cracking

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happy birthday to today

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ralph finds ralph finds today is

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only 58 years old cheap tricks rick

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nielsen hold on to your hat you ready

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rick nielsen today is

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74. now think back

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to the first time you heard live at

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buddhicon

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that dude is 74 years old

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guitarist frank gambali today is 62

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great guitar player i've seen him play

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many times

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always at the namm show our dead guys

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birthdays

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today are maurice

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they were twins

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maurice died in 2003 and robin

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left this earth back in 2012 of course

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they were two-thirds of the bee gees

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today it's just barry that is still with

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us

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and the new documentary by hbo

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is a solid 10 out of 10. if you haven't

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seen it you need to check it out it's a

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great documentary

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and one you're going to watch more than

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once of course

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and it will remind you how great the bee

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gees were

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and still are now after the show tonight

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go and play how deep is your love 10

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times in a row like i did today

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in the bunker happy birthday

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happy birthday it's just crazy maurice

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and robin gibb

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understand history otd 1808

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beethoven's fifth symphony 1808 by the

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way not that long ago

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beethoven's fifth symphony is given its

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world

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premiere in vienna conducted by the one

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and only

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ludwig himself vader fact

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yeah this is a good one vader fact

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they're all good

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better fact german discount supermarket

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little l-i-d-l by the way it might be

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little

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and the chain shut it all down after

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trying for four years

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why because norwegians

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yeah i'm gonna leave that right there

302
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tonight james fox

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is here we're gonna be talking about his

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new film it's a hit

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the phenomenon if you haven't seen it go

306
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and check it out it's right there it's

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on amazon

308
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and uh i've seen it many many times

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we'll be talking about that tonight and

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of course

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we'll be talking about the recent uh

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rapid fire developments

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uh surrounding ttsa to the stars academy

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tomorrow night

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live from the uk ronnie doug dale is

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here we're going to be talking about his

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contribution to john burroughs new book

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and his timeline

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of the events in and around and above

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rendell shim forest and then of course

321
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thursday night is christmas eve it's

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another fader night

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not just any fader night it's our

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christmas eve special

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open lines all night long i've seen

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cheap trick in concert many many years

327
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ago love the bee gees and andy gibbs see

328
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madeline it was your night here on the

329
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show all right

330
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uh are you getting a new bunker chair

331
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yeah this thing

332
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you know i've got um

333
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oh no that's not different i got wd-40

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somewhere

335
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here in the bunker and i just i just got

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to take the time to

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yeah it's really squeaking now it's uh

338
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really squeaking this chair the squeaky

339
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chair

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i can i can't i just can't shake it

341
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can't i all right

342
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yeah it's a christmas eve i just can't

343
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believe it's christmas week

344
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rivermooncoffee.com the best

345
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river moon coffee fade to black blend

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all right so

347
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let's get straight to it folks

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last night on the show ryan sprague

349
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brought up ttsa maybe i brought it up

350
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but then he

351
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brought up uh how do i say it

352
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well we ended up let me put it to you

353
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like this we spent a segment

354
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talking about them and what the future

355
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may be and he said hey there's rumors

356
00:18:14,230 --> 00:18:13,679
right there's rumors man they're going

357
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around

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right now maybe the end of ttsa

359
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right and and so we talked about ttsa we

360
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did spend a full segment on it

361
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uh you know the future and things and

362
00:18:30,230 --> 00:18:28,640
over the last couple of months there

363
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have been a lot of rumors floating

364
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around about certain individuals that

365
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may be leaving

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and uh you know i'm not gonna i'm not

367
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gonna fuel the fire

368
00:18:44,789 --> 00:18:42,799
i'm not gonna do that but i had i had

369
00:18:46,710 --> 00:18:44,799
heard it's just a rumor

370
00:18:48,070 --> 00:18:46,720
but i had heard a few months ago that

371
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that hal put off

372
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was out and he just wanted to go and

373
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work in his lab in texas

374
00:18:55,669 --> 00:18:54,320
and and he had other things to worry

375
00:18:57,350 --> 00:18:55,679
about he was a physicist

376
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and a scientist he's going to go work on

377
00:19:01,350 --> 00:18:59,120
his stuff right okay

378
00:19:02,789 --> 00:19:01,360
so there was that i thought man how

379
00:19:05,909 --> 00:19:02,799
really okay

380
00:19:09,669 --> 00:19:05,919
so and it kind of just just grew

381
00:19:10,070 --> 00:19:09,679
from there lou's name kept coming up

382
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chris

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mellon's name kept coming up and

384
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and there's only so many people at the

385
00:19:18,789 --> 00:19:17,760
company you know you got tom you got

386
00:19:21,990 --> 00:19:18,799
semi-van

387
00:19:22,630 --> 00:19:22,000
a couple of others uh tom's sister but

388
00:19:25,669 --> 00:19:22,640
uh

389
00:19:26,630 --> 00:19:25,679
you know not much is left you know steve

390
00:19:28,549 --> 00:19:26,640
justice

391
00:19:29,669 --> 00:19:28,559
i think that's that's all seven right

392
00:19:32,710 --> 00:19:29,679
there

393
00:19:35,750 --> 00:19:32,720
if you think about it well

394
00:19:38,630 --> 00:19:35,760
things did heat up recently and then

395
00:19:39,590 --> 00:19:38,640
lou elizondo was on coast uh with a

396
00:19:42,310 --> 00:19:39,600
george knapp

397
00:19:43,430 --> 00:19:42,320
on sunday night and i started to read

398
00:19:45,110 --> 00:19:43,440
the transcripts

399
00:19:47,510 --> 00:19:45,120
from the show got a couple of texts did

400
00:19:49,830 --> 00:19:47,520
you hear what lou just said

401
00:19:51,750 --> 00:19:49,840
i mean i got the text on sunday night

402
00:19:53,190 --> 00:19:51,760
and i read them first thing monday

403
00:19:57,510 --> 00:19:53,200
morning

404
00:20:00,549 --> 00:19:57,520
and uh which was yesterday and

405
00:20:03,270 --> 00:20:00,559
yeah right now

406
00:20:04,390 --> 00:20:03,280
although lou alluded to a possible

407
00:20:06,149 --> 00:20:04,400
separation from

408
00:20:08,070 --> 00:20:06,159
tsa and he said a couple of things there

409
00:20:11,430 --> 00:20:08,080
were some some comments there there's

410
00:20:13,909 --> 00:20:11,440
really no way to read between the lines

411
00:20:14,950 --> 00:20:13,919
and think that it meant something else

412
00:20:17,669 --> 00:20:14,960
other than what

413
00:20:19,590 --> 00:20:17,679
lou was trying to say without saying it

414
00:20:22,549 --> 00:20:19,600
directly well today

415
00:20:23,909 --> 00:20:22,559
everything was confirmed lou elizondo

416
00:20:27,590 --> 00:20:23,919
chris mellon and steve

417
00:20:29,110 --> 00:20:27,600
justice have apparently

418
00:20:31,190 --> 00:20:29,120
the reason why i say apparently have all

419
00:20:33,029 --> 00:20:31,200
left the company um the company is here

420
00:20:34,789 --> 00:20:33,039
in southern california

421
00:20:36,070 --> 00:20:34,799
who lives out here who actually goes

422
00:20:39,430 --> 00:20:36,080
into the office each day

423
00:20:39,909 --> 00:20:39,440
i don't know um i you know i i i don't

424
00:20:43,190 --> 00:20:39,919
know

425
00:20:46,230 --> 00:20:43,200
that stuff um but

426
00:20:48,789 --> 00:20:46,240
this is where things are at and

427
00:20:50,070 --> 00:20:48,799
i made a few phone calls today i i

428
00:20:54,950 --> 00:20:50,080
vetted the story

429
00:20:57,590 --> 00:20:54,960
and uh it this and i keep saying appears

430
00:20:58,789 --> 00:20:57,600
appears to be true so yeah today i

431
00:21:01,510 --> 00:20:58,799
posted a bunch of stuff

432
00:21:01,990 --> 00:21:01,520
over on social media about it and in a

433
00:21:06,390 --> 00:21:02,000
very

434
00:21:09,590 --> 00:21:06,400
general sense i'm pretty pissed off

435
00:21:13,110 --> 00:21:09,600
now of course i have been

436
00:21:14,789 --> 00:21:13,120
very vocal about my concerns with to the

437
00:21:15,510 --> 00:21:14,799
stars over the last couple of years and

438
00:21:18,710 --> 00:21:15,520
i get that

439
00:21:20,549 --> 00:21:18,720
and the list of issues is long

440
00:21:22,230 --> 00:21:20,559
but the most basic thing that i've tried

441
00:21:25,029 --> 00:21:22,240
to get across to everyone is

442
00:21:28,230 --> 00:21:25,039
this don't put all of your hopes and

443
00:21:32,390 --> 00:21:28,240
dreams into one basket

444
00:21:34,630 --> 00:21:32,400
don't do it that trust is earned

445
00:21:36,470 --> 00:21:34,640
and that we needed to give ttsa a couple

446
00:21:37,590 --> 00:21:36,480
of years to build a track record with

447
00:21:39,990 --> 00:21:37,600
the community

448
00:21:41,190 --> 00:21:40,000
and then we could just take inventory

449
00:21:44,310 --> 00:21:41,200
and see where we are

450
00:21:49,830 --> 00:21:44,320
at with to the stars

451
00:21:52,789 --> 00:21:49,840
that's basically it well now it appears

452
00:21:53,669 --> 00:21:52,799
that we'll never get it the chance to do

453
00:21:57,909 --> 00:21:53,679
that

454
00:21:59,430 --> 00:21:57,919
to assess i'm not sure if ttsa will

455
00:22:02,549 --> 00:21:59,440
continue or not

456
00:22:04,470 --> 00:22:02,559
and if they do it'll probably

457
00:22:07,909 --> 00:22:04,480
just be tom delong's entertainment

458
00:22:12,070 --> 00:22:07,919
enterprise movies cartoons books

459
00:22:13,990 --> 00:22:12,080
right music the backwards engineering

460
00:22:16,230 --> 00:22:14,000
of alien technology to build

461
00:22:18,549 --> 00:22:16,240
anti-gravity commercial airlines

462
00:22:20,070 --> 00:22:18,559
well you know what that's definitely off

463
00:22:22,789 --> 00:22:20,080
the table

464
00:22:24,950 --> 00:22:22,799
to be honest with everyone although i

465
00:22:27,990 --> 00:22:24,960
was pretty rough on ttsa

466
00:22:29,750 --> 00:22:28,000
i'd always hoped that they would one day

467
00:22:32,230 --> 00:22:29,760
bust out the big stuff

468
00:22:33,990 --> 00:22:32,240
you know blow this whole thing up and

469
00:22:36,230 --> 00:22:34,000
disclosure would be here

470
00:22:37,990 --> 00:22:36,240
the real disclosure that we all talk

471
00:22:41,110 --> 00:22:38,000
about and that one day

472
00:22:43,510 --> 00:22:41,120
i would have to eat crow humble myself

473
00:22:44,149 --> 00:22:43,520
and congratulate ttsa on their

474
00:22:46,870 --> 00:22:44,159
achievement

475
00:22:49,350 --> 00:22:46,880
i really deep down inside i thought that

476
00:22:52,230 --> 00:22:49,360
that's what how it was going to play out

477
00:22:53,590 --> 00:22:52,240
right and and a great day that would

478
00:22:56,950 --> 00:22:53,600
have been

479
00:23:00,390 --> 00:22:56,960
right all right i'm cool with it i

480
00:23:03,510 --> 00:23:00,400
am cool with going hey i was wrong

481
00:23:07,270 --> 00:23:03,520
disclosure's here this is a great day

482
00:23:09,990 --> 00:23:07,280
right trust me i would have been the

483
00:23:12,470 --> 00:23:10,000
first person to stand up and shout

484
00:23:15,270 --> 00:23:12,480
but it appears at this point that it

485
00:23:19,830 --> 00:23:15,280
just ain't gonna happen

486
00:23:26,710 --> 00:23:23,029
let's say that ttsa

487
00:23:30,070 --> 00:23:26,720
folds up shop right

488
00:23:30,870 --> 00:23:30,080
packs it up or at least dissolves their

489
00:23:33,590 --> 00:23:30,880
research

490
00:23:36,070 --> 00:23:33,600
and development wings and it's only

491
00:23:38,630 --> 00:23:36,080
entertainment from this point forward

492
00:23:40,710 --> 00:23:38,640
what happens to all of those people who

493
00:23:42,310 --> 00:23:40,720
bought stock in the company based on the

494
00:23:46,230 --> 00:23:42,320
original live stream

495
00:23:48,630 --> 00:23:46,240
presentation what happens to them

496
00:23:49,269 --> 00:23:48,640
they invested because of the promise of

497
00:23:52,710 --> 00:23:49,279
et

498
00:23:55,350 --> 00:23:52,720
tech being brought to the masses

499
00:23:55,909 --> 00:23:55,360
they didn't drop their cash for movie

500
00:23:59,430 --> 00:23:55,919
and

501
00:24:05,029 --> 00:24:02,789
maybe some did okay i don't know

502
00:24:06,870 --> 00:24:05,039
but i'm sure that the vast majority were

503
00:24:08,789 --> 00:24:06,880
all about the anti-gravity propulsion

504
00:24:11,750 --> 00:24:08,799
systems and free energy

505
00:24:13,750 --> 00:24:11,760
and i get that now i'm sure like with

506
00:24:16,070 --> 00:24:13,760
any investment

507
00:24:17,590 --> 00:24:16,080
you are told to do your own due

508
00:24:19,669 --> 00:24:17,600
diligence

509
00:24:21,669 --> 00:24:19,679
right that all investments must be

510
00:24:24,470 --> 00:24:21,679
considered a risk

511
00:24:26,230 --> 00:24:24,480
and there may be no return that there

512
00:24:29,669 --> 00:24:26,240
are no guarantees

513
00:24:34,070 --> 00:24:32,470
doesn't help the situation does it so

514
00:24:37,110 --> 00:24:34,080
moving forward

515
00:24:38,630 --> 00:24:37,120
we'll have to wait and see what ttsa has

516
00:24:42,630 --> 00:24:38,640
to say

517
00:24:44,310 --> 00:24:42,640
on everything but the exit of elizondo

518
00:24:48,230 --> 00:24:44,320
melanin justice

519
00:24:51,590 --> 00:24:48,240
can't be considered a good thing

520
00:24:53,269 --> 00:24:51,600
only for elizondo melon and justice

521
00:24:55,029 --> 00:24:53,279
after the smoke starts to clear we'll

522
00:24:57,590 --> 00:24:55,039
get a better picture of how things are

523
00:25:01,669 --> 00:24:57,600
going to shake out but

524
00:25:07,430 --> 00:25:01,679
how much money do they have in the bank

525
00:25:11,669 --> 00:25:07,440
right how much is the stock worth

526
00:25:16,070 --> 00:25:11,679
how much stock do these three have

527
00:25:20,230 --> 00:25:16,080
are they going to cash out if they can

528
00:25:21,909 --> 00:25:20,240
how much debt does ttsa carry

529
00:25:23,909 --> 00:25:21,919
what projects do they have in

530
00:25:26,149 --> 00:25:23,919
development you know books

531
00:25:30,070 --> 00:25:26,159
in the pipeline movies music what's

532
00:25:32,070 --> 00:25:30,080
going on with that right

533
00:25:33,510 --> 00:25:32,080
well we don't know much because nobody's

534
00:25:35,909 --> 00:25:33,520
talking

535
00:25:36,950 --> 00:25:35,919
but for the big three to just pull the

536
00:25:39,190 --> 00:25:36,960
plug

537
00:25:41,029 --> 00:25:39,200
all at the same time by the way that

538
00:25:42,870 --> 00:25:41,039
says a lot

539
00:25:44,390 --> 00:25:42,880
you don't walk away if there's big stuff

540
00:25:47,269 --> 00:25:44,400
being worked on

541
00:25:49,190 --> 00:25:47,279
now i don't know anything but i'm sure

542
00:25:52,230 --> 00:25:49,200
you understand my take on things it's

543
00:25:55,430 --> 00:25:52,240
just common sense

544
00:25:56,149 --> 00:25:55,440
right now i feel bad for all of those in

545
00:25:59,029 --> 00:25:56,159
our community

546
00:26:00,870 --> 00:25:59,039
and outside of it who put everything

547
00:26:03,909 --> 00:26:00,880
into ttsa

548
00:26:06,070 --> 00:26:03,919
not only money but it's emotions and

549
00:26:08,630 --> 00:26:06,080
hope

550
00:26:11,590 --> 00:26:08,640
you know just to have once again

551
00:26:14,870 --> 00:26:11,600
something taken away from them

552
00:26:17,750 --> 00:26:14,880
now i'm not saying it's over

553
00:26:19,430 --> 00:26:17,760
i'm not saying this is the end but it's

554
00:26:21,590 --> 00:26:19,440
not looking good for the to the stars

555
00:26:24,070 --> 00:26:21,600
academy at the moment

556
00:26:25,350 --> 00:26:24,080
this is not the time for anyone to say i

557
00:26:27,669 --> 00:26:25,360
told you so

558
00:26:29,190 --> 00:26:27,679
you know far from it nobody needs to

559
00:26:30,310 --> 00:26:29,200
hear it and you're not going to get that

560
00:26:33,029 --> 00:26:30,320
from me

561
00:26:33,750 --> 00:26:33,039
and to be very straight with all of you

562
00:26:36,630 --> 00:26:33,760
i think

563
00:26:37,190 --> 00:26:36,640
tom really wanted to shake things up and

564
00:26:38,870 --> 00:26:37,200
he did

565
00:26:40,789 --> 00:26:38,880
a lot of cool things starting with the

566
00:26:43,029 --> 00:26:40,799
days of disclosure that kicked off

567
00:26:46,310 --> 00:26:43,039
nearly exactly

568
00:26:48,950 --> 00:26:46,320
three years ago now

569
00:26:50,630 --> 00:26:48,960
it could also be that everyone is

570
00:26:53,590 --> 00:26:50,640
jumping the gun here

571
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including myself and maybe lou and the

572
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team will work things out and to the

573
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stars

574
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lives on to fight another day who knows

575
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the crazy thing is this

576
00:27:12,070 --> 00:27:07,520
who would have thunk that ttsa

577
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would be another casualty of 2020

578
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i did not

579
00:27:23,430 --> 00:27:20,080
man 2020

580
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which just makes me think 2021

581
00:27:30,549 --> 00:27:27,200
cannot get here fast enough

582
00:27:33,669 --> 00:27:30,559
now um in closing

583
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it's the tv series unidentified

584
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right with its star lou elizondo

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did they

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had

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literally and figuratively in the first

588
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season

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but did they run out of material you

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know

591
00:28:06,149 --> 00:28:03,360
um a second season could there be

592
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could there be another season or was

593
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there nothing left to

594
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give now that's something to think about

595
00:28:15,990 --> 00:28:12,799
here

596
00:28:19,029 --> 00:28:16,000
i don't know about the cash flow

597
00:28:22,950 --> 00:28:19,039
i i i don't know i haven't seen the sec

598
00:28:26,149 --> 00:28:22,960
uh disclosures uh for for last year

599
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but but here's the thing tom is

600
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certainly

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flush if it's money

602
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right if there is no cash flow

603
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can't tom take out his checkbook and and

604
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loan some money to the stars and

605
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and float salaries for a year or two

606
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let's say these guys you know five four

607
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three guys making a couple of hundred

608
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grand a year so it's a million dollars a

609
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year what's that

610
00:28:52,870 --> 00:28:51,840
to tom for a couple of years until the

611
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roi

612
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starts to come back from the other stuff

613
00:29:00,789 --> 00:28:57,760
that they are working on

614
00:29:06,389 --> 00:29:00,799
i don't know and it's for me

615
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i don't know i don't know i don't know

616
00:29:12,470 --> 00:29:09,919
it's a

617
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very puzzling situation i was really

618
00:29:16,389 --> 00:29:13,360
hoping

619
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uh for the opposite with that this is

620
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fade to black i'm your host jimmy church

621
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tonight james fox is here

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and uh chris mellon he's in the film

623
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he's in the phenomenon

624
00:29:29,669 --> 00:29:27,679
harry reids in the phenomenon i think

625
00:29:31,990 --> 00:29:29,679
elizondo

626
00:29:33,669 --> 00:29:32,000
got his face in there for a few seconds

627
00:29:37,269 --> 00:29:33,679
too as well

628
00:29:39,269 --> 00:29:37,279
um wow how does all of this play out

629
00:29:40,950 --> 00:29:39,279
how does all of this play out well james

630
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fox is going to be with us

631
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right after this short break i'm your

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host jimmy church

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on the game changer network and kg r a

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the planets you can follow me

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follow james fox or james fox

637
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i think i think that's what he is right

638
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isn't that what he is

639
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i just tweeted it adam earlier today oh

640
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hold on

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right now

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james fox's yeah and james fox i've got

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it up there on twitter

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i'll be right back after this short

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break stay with us

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what's up chris what up this is jimmy

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[Music]

751
00:35:19,270 --> 00:35:17,109
welcome back fade to block i'm your host

752
00:35:20,710 --> 00:35:19,280
jimmy church tonight james fox is here

753
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we're going to be talking about his new

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hit

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film the documentary the phenomenon

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tomorrow night live from the uk

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ronnie dugdale thursday night's

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christmas eve very special christmas eve

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show it is fader night open lines all

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night long

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spending our christmas eve with all of

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you it's going to be great

763
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now i just want to let everybody know i

764
00:35:45,670 --> 00:35:42,240
just held up to the camera

765
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a can of wd-40 which i found the squeaky

766
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chair

767
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has ended that's right tonight james fox

768
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is here

769
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james was born in england raised in new

770
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york and california

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began his journalism career early in

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life as an assistant to his father

773
00:36:06,470 --> 00:36:03,280
writer charles fox that's right

774
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now let's remember together they

775
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traveled on many magazine assignments

776
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interviewing

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stephen hawking right dan gurney one of

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my favorites from

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indianapolis for rolling stone magazine

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car and driver to sports illustrated

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he finished and sold his first

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documentary this is to discovery by the

783
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time he was just 28 years old

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and has completed and distributed tv

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projects for sci-fi tlc national

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geographic

787
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and history channel and he has made

788
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frequent appearances on larry king live

789
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all those classic shows nightline

790
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dateline anderson cooper

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and others uh out of the blue and i know

792
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what i saw are two of the most respected

793
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films

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in all of ufology and tonight we're

795
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going to discuss

796
00:36:53,750 --> 00:36:52,320
his next film the phenomenon there you

797
00:36:54,230 --> 00:36:53,760
go i'd like to welcome back to fade to

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black

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the one and only james fox james how you

800
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doing

801
00:37:01,829 --> 00:36:59,760
thank you for that impressive

802
00:37:02,470 --> 00:37:01,839
introduction i'm thinking to myself boy

803
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i gotta

804
00:37:15,829 --> 00:37:07,950
wrote it

805
00:37:21,829 --> 00:37:19,270
i don't want to do that to you um

806
00:37:22,310 --> 00:37:21,839
i'm gonna i'm gonna say this james that

807
00:37:24,310 --> 00:37:22,320
uh

808
00:37:26,710 --> 00:37:24,320
for the last couple of weeks i've had a

809
00:37:29,990 --> 00:37:26,720
squeaky chair in the studio

810
00:37:32,390 --> 00:37:30,000
and and i'm interviewing

811
00:37:34,310 --> 00:37:32,400
excuse me i'm interviewing guests and

812
00:37:35,910 --> 00:37:34,320
every time i move in the middle of uh

813
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you know somebody saying something it

814
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was and it's loud

815
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and i fixed it just for you during the

816
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commercial break

817
00:37:46,950 --> 00:37:45,760
well they say the squeaky chair gets the

818
00:37:50,550 --> 00:37:46,960
grease

819
00:37:53,670 --> 00:37:50,560
that's right and it just did it just did

820
00:37:54,870 --> 00:37:53,680
wow um i'm sure that chair's got wheels

821
00:37:58,150 --> 00:37:54,880
on it too so hey

822
00:38:00,470 --> 00:37:58,160
it does it does it does um i

823
00:38:03,349 --> 00:38:00,480
those will be next i i will i will

824
00:38:05,829 --> 00:38:03,359
grease the squeaky wheels

825
00:38:06,390 --> 00:38:05,839
well done well played james well played

826
00:38:09,589 --> 00:38:06,400
um

827
00:38:13,109 --> 00:38:09,599
crazy crazy year crazy

828
00:38:16,230 --> 00:38:13,119
crazy year um you and i have uh

829
00:38:19,109 --> 00:38:16,240
talked uh through most of it and

830
00:38:20,710 --> 00:38:19,119
and i think about uh our conversations

831
00:38:23,750 --> 00:38:20,720
that we were having

832
00:38:25,430 --> 00:38:23,760
you know eight nine ten months ago um

833
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and the launch of the film and

834
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everything else and then the country

835
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and everything that was going on and

836
00:38:35,030 --> 00:38:31,200
here we are

837
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in in late december uh three days before

838
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christmas

839
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and this ttsa news uh

840
00:38:45,990 --> 00:38:42,720
hits the fan now um

841
00:38:49,190 --> 00:38:46,000
i'm not gonna say too much but let me

842
00:38:51,510 --> 00:38:49,200
ask you this uh you probably saw a lot

843
00:38:55,829 --> 00:38:51,520
of this coming i know that you did

844
00:39:00,390 --> 00:38:55,839
but were you surprised to actually

845
00:39:03,430 --> 00:39:00,400
see this today

846
00:39:05,349 --> 00:39:03,440
well first of all 2020 has been

847
00:39:07,829 --> 00:39:05,359
you know every week has been enough for

848
00:39:11,109 --> 00:39:07,839
something completely different

849
00:39:13,990 --> 00:39:11,119
right it's like no uh

850
00:39:15,510 --> 00:39:14,000
you know you hear rumors circulating uh

851
00:39:17,109 --> 00:39:15,520
all the time and

852
00:39:19,270 --> 00:39:17,119
some of the sources are rather credible

853
00:39:22,470 --> 00:39:19,280
but um until it actually

854
00:39:25,430 --> 00:39:22,480
you know happens uh

855
00:39:26,550 --> 00:39:25,440
nothing's finalized right so am i am i

856
00:39:29,750 --> 00:39:26,560
shocked

857
00:39:33,109 --> 00:39:29,760
not terribly um but

858
00:39:36,150 --> 00:39:33,119
uh it came a little earlier than i had

859
00:39:39,510 --> 00:39:38,390
uh let's see let's go down the inventory

860
00:39:42,470 --> 00:39:39,520
here

861
00:39:43,670 --> 00:39:42,480
chris melons in your film harry reid's

862
00:39:46,790 --> 00:39:43,680
in your film

863
00:39:49,589 --> 00:39:46,800
uh i believe elizondo does a drive-by

864
00:39:51,109 --> 00:39:49,599
right yes he's in there yeah yeah he's

865
00:39:54,829 --> 00:39:51,119
in there too as well

866
00:39:56,790 --> 00:39:54,839
um have you have you reached out to

867
00:40:00,790 --> 00:39:56,800
anyone

868
00:40:03,190 --> 00:40:00,800
well i mean you know i've been

869
00:40:04,390 --> 00:40:03,200
working nothing's really changed for me

870
00:40:07,910 --> 00:40:04,400
i mean i've been working

871
00:40:08,870 --> 00:40:07,920
with and around people associated with

872
00:40:10,870 --> 00:40:08,880
ttsa

873
00:40:13,030 --> 00:40:10,880
for you know the better part of two

874
00:40:14,950 --> 00:40:13,040
years so

875
00:40:18,790 --> 00:40:14,960
and you know one thing i'd love to love

876
00:40:20,950 --> 00:40:18,800
to have the opportunity to say is that

877
00:40:22,069 --> 00:40:20,960
um and i myself have been a victim to

878
00:40:24,630 --> 00:40:22,079
this you know

879
00:40:26,630 --> 00:40:24,640
people can criticize so easily

880
00:40:29,510 --> 00:40:26,640
especially sitting on the sidelines

881
00:40:30,470 --> 00:40:29,520
and i've had my efforts criticized many

882
00:40:33,589 --> 00:40:30,480
times

883
00:40:34,470 --> 00:40:33,599
some of which were well deserved other

884
00:40:37,670 --> 00:40:34,480
times it's like

885
00:40:38,230 --> 00:40:37,680
you know now people can just be highly

886
00:40:41,910 --> 00:40:38,240
critical

887
00:40:43,510 --> 00:40:41,920
and um ttsa has

888
00:40:45,349 --> 00:40:43,520
you know loved them or hate them they've

889
00:40:46,710 --> 00:40:45,359
gotten uh

890
00:40:49,349 --> 00:40:46,720
they've moved the needle more than

891
00:40:51,349 --> 00:40:49,359
anyone else has in the last three years

892
00:40:53,270 --> 00:40:51,359
um i mean more has gone down in the last

893
00:40:56,710 --> 00:40:53,280
two years because of people

894
00:40:58,630 --> 00:40:56,720
directly with ttsa or associated ttsa

895
00:41:01,270 --> 00:40:58,640
than that we've accomplished since the

896
00:41:04,550 --> 00:41:01,280
closing of project blue book in 69.

897
00:41:05,109 --> 00:41:04,560
so i tip my hat to their efforts and i

898
00:41:07,430 --> 00:41:05,119
don't know

899
00:41:08,470 --> 00:41:07,440
i haven't had any detailed conversations

900
00:41:10,630 --> 00:41:08,480
with any of them

901
00:41:12,710 --> 00:41:10,640
in terms of what their future may or may

902
00:41:15,349 --> 00:41:12,720
not be with ttsa but

903
00:41:16,390 --> 00:41:15,359
but i know that they're all dedicated uh

904
00:41:18,870 --> 00:41:16,400
people to the field

905
00:41:19,589 --> 00:41:18,880
that will want to continue their pursuit

906
00:41:21,750 --> 00:41:19,599
of

907
00:41:22,790 --> 00:41:21,760
further government transparency and and

908
00:41:26,230 --> 00:41:22,800
what they

909
00:41:30,390 --> 00:41:26,240
dynamic

910
00:41:32,470 --> 00:41:30,400
change for ttsa if uh

911
00:41:34,390 --> 00:41:32,480
you know three of your biggest guns

912
00:41:35,510 --> 00:41:34,400
certainly elizano being right there and

913
00:41:38,390 --> 00:41:35,520
chris mellon

914
00:41:39,510 --> 00:41:38,400
and steve justice for the uh technology

915
00:41:42,790 --> 00:41:39,520
side of things

916
00:41:45,109 --> 00:41:42,800
for them to leave where does this

917
00:41:46,069 --> 00:41:45,119
uh leave them for the future and their

918
00:41:47,990 --> 00:41:46,079
focus

919
00:41:49,510 --> 00:41:48,000
are they now just an entertainment

920
00:41:53,510 --> 00:41:49,520
company if they do

921
00:41:57,750 --> 00:41:55,270
you know i i really can't speak on the

922
00:41:58,150 --> 00:41:57,760
behalf of ttsa i wish i could say more

923
00:42:01,990 --> 00:41:58,160
but

924
00:42:04,069 --> 00:42:02,000
um you know my my experience with

925
00:42:06,150 --> 00:42:04,079
the people that i've you know either

926
00:42:07,430 --> 00:42:06,160
worked with directly or or spoken with

927
00:42:09,270 --> 00:42:07,440
or people that have publicly endorsed

928
00:42:12,950 --> 00:42:09,280
the film like lou elizondo and

929
00:42:15,510 --> 00:42:12,960
jim simavan uh had

930
00:42:16,069 --> 00:42:15,520
contact with how put off obviously you

931
00:42:18,550 --> 00:42:16,079
know

932
00:42:19,670 --> 00:42:18,560
i think jacqueline was was skirting

933
00:42:23,829 --> 00:42:19,680
along with

934
00:42:26,390 --> 00:42:23,839
uh with nolan uh ttsa for

935
00:42:28,230 --> 00:42:26,400
for a period of time but uh but i i

936
00:42:30,550 --> 00:42:28,240
really i i wish i could give you

937
00:42:32,550 --> 00:42:30,560
you guys more information i you know i'm

938
00:42:33,109 --> 00:42:32,560
i'm on the outside looking in myself i i

939
00:42:37,190 --> 00:42:33,119
mean i'm

940
00:42:39,829 --> 00:42:37,200
still associated i'm still um

941
00:42:40,950 --> 00:42:39,839
doing promotional stuff and and uh and

942
00:42:44,150 --> 00:42:40,960
in touch with

943
00:42:45,829 --> 00:42:44,160
with a few key players uh

944
00:42:48,630 --> 00:42:45,839
hopefully moving forward i will continue

945
00:42:51,990 --> 00:42:48,640
to be i can't imagine that that changing

946
00:42:53,430 --> 00:42:52,000
but um in terms of the ttsa's future i

947
00:42:55,030 --> 00:42:53,440
just i can't i don't know

948
00:42:56,950 --> 00:42:55,040
yeah people can't speak on their tests

949
00:43:00,309 --> 00:42:56,960
yeah exactly and

950
00:43:03,430 --> 00:43:00,319
and um i'm asking for your opinion

951
00:43:03,990 --> 00:43:03,440
where we have the the value of what

952
00:43:05,990 --> 00:43:04,000
happened

953
00:43:07,430 --> 00:43:06,000
three years ago in december right new

954
00:43:09,990 --> 00:43:07,440
york times and

955
00:43:11,589 --> 00:43:10,000
and how that happened and and how that

956
00:43:14,790 --> 00:43:11,599
was brought forward

957
00:43:18,230 --> 00:43:14,800
if if the the three main players

958
00:43:21,270 --> 00:43:18,240
are are no longer with the company does

959
00:43:24,470 --> 00:43:21,280
ttsa in your opinion

960
00:43:26,309 --> 00:43:24,480
uh continue to research or is it

961
00:43:30,150 --> 00:43:26,319
you know just you know putting out books

962
00:43:34,390 --> 00:43:32,069
you know i haven't i mean look just

963
00:43:36,150 --> 00:43:34,400
because and by the way i have tremendous

964
00:43:39,030 --> 00:43:36,160
respect for lou elizondo

965
00:43:40,630 --> 00:43:39,040
i you know the fact that he sacrificed

966
00:43:42,390 --> 00:43:40,640
so much and

967
00:43:44,710 --> 00:43:42,400
stepping down from his position the

968
00:43:46,710 --> 00:43:44,720
security of a paycheck a job

969
00:43:47,750 --> 00:43:46,720
for the betterment of all humanity i

970
00:43:51,030 --> 00:43:47,760
think that was a very

971
00:43:53,349 --> 00:43:51,040
um courageous move on his part and i

972
00:43:56,069 --> 00:43:53,359
just i have a tremendous respect for him

973
00:43:57,829 --> 00:43:56,079
does this mean that they can uh you know

974
00:43:59,510 --> 00:43:57,839
continue doing the same thing that they

975
00:44:02,950 --> 00:43:59,520
have been doing but maybe they have

976
00:44:05,510 --> 00:44:02,960
more um uh

977
00:44:06,950 --> 00:44:05,520
liberty more freedom to to to involve

978
00:44:09,589 --> 00:44:06,960
themselves in other activities

979
00:44:10,230 --> 00:44:09,599
quite possibly and if that's the case

980
00:44:12,550 --> 00:44:10,240
then

981
00:44:14,470 --> 00:44:12,560
you know who knows maybe they continue

982
00:44:16,790 --> 00:44:14,480
i'm just speculating but

983
00:44:18,950 --> 00:44:16,800
maybe they just continue making their

984
00:44:21,430 --> 00:44:18,960
contribution with tpsa and

985
00:44:22,230 --> 00:44:21,440
and other people as well you know we'll

986
00:44:25,829 --> 00:44:22,240
have to see

987
00:44:29,109 --> 00:44:25,839
and and for all of us that went through

988
00:44:32,390 --> 00:44:29,119
the original live stream back in october

989
00:44:34,790 --> 00:44:32,400
of uh 2017 um

990
00:44:36,069 --> 00:44:34,800
when the stock was sold right the

991
00:44:38,069 --> 00:44:36,079
investments were coming

992
00:44:39,670 --> 00:44:38,079
in and they announced the the formation

993
00:44:43,109 --> 00:44:39,680
of ttsa that day

994
00:44:46,230 --> 00:44:43,119
in the live stream one of the things

995
00:44:47,589 --> 00:44:46,240
uh that was suggested as the focus of

996
00:44:51,190 --> 00:44:47,599
ttsa

997
00:44:53,550 --> 00:44:51,200
is getting this uh alien technology

998
00:44:54,710 --> 00:44:53,560
into the public domain right

999
00:44:58,150 --> 00:44:54,720
anti-gravity

1000
00:45:01,829 --> 00:44:58,160
uh air transportation uh

1001
00:45:03,270 --> 00:45:01,839
uh free energy these things were

1002
00:45:06,069 --> 00:45:03,280
suggested

1003
00:45:07,190 --> 00:45:06,079
and that's what a large chunk of that

1004
00:45:10,550 --> 00:45:07,200
investment money

1005
00:45:13,190 --> 00:45:10,560
everybody was excited including myself

1006
00:45:14,390 --> 00:45:13,200
um where does that where do you think

1007
00:45:16,550 --> 00:45:14,400
that leaves

1008
00:45:20,069 --> 00:45:16,560
uh the investors and the people that

1009
00:45:24,309 --> 00:45:21,910
well that was a rather lofty goal that's

1010
00:45:27,589 --> 00:45:24,319
for sure um

1011
00:45:29,670 --> 00:45:27,599
but uh gosh i you know

1012
00:45:32,230 --> 00:45:29,680
i i just i simply couldn't i mean i you

1013
00:45:35,190 --> 00:45:32,240
know i can't even begin to speculate

1014
00:45:37,510 --> 00:45:35,200
uh you know what time will tell i mean

1015
00:45:40,150 --> 00:45:37,520
you know who knows what what de long has

1016
00:45:41,990 --> 00:45:40,160
has has in store for for ttsa if he's

1017
00:45:45,349 --> 00:45:42,000
going to bring other people involved i

1018
00:45:46,630 --> 00:45:45,359
change his objective or i don't know i

1019
00:45:48,550 --> 00:45:46,640
wish i could give you more

1020
00:45:51,109 --> 00:45:48,560
no i i understand that i'm just asking

1021
00:45:53,430 --> 00:45:51,119
for opinions and the reason why

1022
00:45:55,270 --> 00:45:53,440
you've been through this james you've

1023
00:45:57,910 --> 00:45:55,280
had your heart broken

1024
00:45:58,950 --> 00:45:57,920
right you've had things pulled out from

1025
00:46:01,510 --> 00:45:58,960
under you

1026
00:46:01,990 --> 00:46:01,520
and you you know what this and i'm not

1027
00:46:05,109 --> 00:46:02,000
going to bring

1028
00:46:08,550 --> 00:46:05,119
up the past um but uh and i'm

1029
00:46:09,190 --> 00:46:08,560
giggling um but yeah we don't need to go

1030
00:46:12,950 --> 00:46:09,200
there

1031
00:46:16,309 --> 00:46:12,960
but you know the experience uh

1032
00:46:18,470 --> 00:46:16,319
that the ufo community has gone through

1033
00:46:19,910 --> 00:46:18,480
time and time again over the years you

1034
00:46:20,790 --> 00:46:19,920
know you get your hopes up things are

1035
00:46:23,510 --> 00:46:20,800
breaking

1036
00:46:24,390 --> 00:46:23,520
this is it we're about to you know boom

1037
00:46:27,990 --> 00:46:24,400
and and

1038
00:46:29,349 --> 00:46:28,000
and then right and it's just like well

1039
00:46:31,430 --> 00:46:29,359
you know it's funny you should say that

1040
00:46:35,030 --> 00:46:31,440
because

1041
00:46:40,069 --> 00:46:35,040
i have been through

1042
00:46:42,870 --> 00:46:40,079
a lot and a lot of my my partners have

1043
00:46:43,829 --> 00:46:42,880
sacrificed so much and worked so hard um

1044
00:46:45,910 --> 00:46:43,839
it's been a long

1045
00:46:46,950 --> 00:46:45,920
long hard haul and it's very exciting to

1046
00:46:48,630 --> 00:46:46,960
see

1047
00:46:50,710 --> 00:46:48,640
the mainstream attention the film's been

1048
00:46:53,030 --> 00:46:50,720
getting i mean it's every time i look on

1049
00:46:54,470 --> 00:46:53,040
uh on itunes it's been number one in

1050
00:46:56,309 --> 00:46:54,480
documentaries i mean just

1051
00:46:58,069 --> 00:46:56,319
it's like glued the number one and it

1052
00:46:58,550 --> 00:46:58,079
continues to perform incredibly well of

1053
00:47:00,470 --> 00:46:58,560
course

1054
00:47:01,670 --> 00:47:00,480
the joe rugged show is a major boon for

1055
00:47:03,589 --> 00:47:01,680
us as well

1056
00:47:05,109 --> 00:47:03,599
and and i just think look you know this

1057
00:47:07,109 --> 00:47:05,119
the film's success is kind of the

1058
00:47:08,710 --> 00:47:07,119
success of of all of us right when we're

1059
00:47:11,349 --> 00:47:08,720
all in this together

1060
00:47:11,750 --> 00:47:11,359
and as much as i kind of want to sit

1061
00:47:14,150 --> 00:47:11,760
back

1062
00:47:16,470 --> 00:47:14,160
and kick my feet up and enjoy the fruits

1063
00:47:18,550 --> 00:47:16,480
of my hard labor

1064
00:47:20,069 --> 00:47:18,560
i feel like now is not the time to let

1065
00:47:21,510 --> 00:47:20,079
up um

1066
00:47:23,270 --> 00:47:21,520
you know we've got to strike while the

1067
00:47:27,430 --> 00:47:23,280
iron's hot and i feel like the iron is

1068
00:47:29,349 --> 00:47:27,440
glowing and and and the phenomenon

1069
00:47:30,790 --> 00:47:29,359
roll out is different than any other

1070
00:47:31,829 --> 00:47:30,800
roll out that i've had in the past

1071
00:47:33,829 --> 00:47:31,839
because

1072
00:47:35,430 --> 00:47:33,839
it's not hitting with the full force

1073
00:47:36,150 --> 00:47:35,440
it's just it's more of a slow moving

1074
00:47:39,270 --> 00:47:36,160
tsunami

1075
00:47:42,870 --> 00:47:39,280
because we're going to have

1076
00:47:46,790 --> 00:47:42,880
rolling this film out on a multitude of

1077
00:47:49,829 --> 00:47:46,800
platforms um pretty much all of them

1078
00:47:51,349 --> 00:47:49,839
at some point in the next you know uh 12

1079
00:47:55,190 --> 00:47:51,359
to 18 months

1080
00:47:55,990 --> 00:47:55,200
and so far it's performed incredibly

1081
00:47:57,589 --> 00:47:56,000
well

1082
00:47:59,430 --> 00:47:57,599
and i think it will continue to do that

1083
00:48:00,390 --> 00:47:59,440
and continue to get recognized around

1084
00:48:03,990 --> 00:48:00,400
the world

1085
00:48:07,270 --> 00:48:04,000
so now is the time to kind of

1086
00:48:09,190 --> 00:48:07,280
keep that momentum moving forward

1087
00:48:10,309 --> 00:48:09,200
and i think that you're going to see

1088
00:48:12,069 --> 00:48:10,319
lots of more

1089
00:48:13,589 --> 00:48:12,079
extremely exciting not only just

1090
00:48:17,990 --> 00:48:13,599
publicity but events

1091
00:48:18,870 --> 00:48:18,000
occurring in 2021 and um

1092
00:48:20,549 --> 00:48:18,880
you know we just have to keep the

1093
00:48:21,670 --> 00:48:20,559
pressure on we've got to keep the

1094
00:48:24,390 --> 00:48:21,680
pressure on

1095
00:48:26,230 --> 00:48:24,400
yeah i feel so bad for the community

1096
00:48:29,589 --> 00:48:26,240
right now

1097
00:48:30,710 --> 00:48:29,599
in that don't not because of the

1098
00:48:33,510 --> 00:48:30,720
phenomenon

1099
00:48:34,150 --> 00:48:33,520
that's the bright spot of the year but

1100
00:48:40,790 --> 00:48:34,160
the

1101
00:48:43,510 --> 00:48:40,800
always

1102
00:48:43,829 --> 00:48:43,520
some situation that that is in front of

1103
00:48:45,990 --> 00:48:43,839
us

1104
00:48:48,549 --> 00:48:46,000
that some people are buying into some

1105
00:48:51,670 --> 00:48:48,559
are not some are supporting some are not

1106
00:48:54,470 --> 00:48:51,680
and and they are used to

1107
00:48:55,430 --> 00:48:54,480
uh disappointment and we've seen it uh

1108
00:48:59,750 --> 00:48:55,440
time and time again

1109
00:49:02,309 --> 00:48:59,760
but um this time around ttsa

1110
00:49:02,950 --> 00:49:02,319
did an awful lot and they did an awful

1111
00:49:05,190 --> 00:49:02,960
lot

1112
00:49:06,150 --> 00:49:05,200
right out of the gate i mean that was

1113
00:49:08,150 --> 00:49:06,160
big news

1114
00:49:10,710 --> 00:49:08,160
and and you know bringing in tucker

1115
00:49:12,549 --> 00:49:10,720
carlson in the new york times and

1116
00:49:16,069 --> 00:49:12,559
and all of the media around the world

1117
00:49:18,390 --> 00:49:16,079
this this was a really really big deal

1118
00:49:19,190 --> 00:49:18,400
and because of that so much of the

1119
00:49:22,309 --> 00:49:19,200
community

1120
00:49:25,349 --> 00:49:22,319
has put uh their emotions

1121
00:49:28,230 --> 00:49:25,359
and and and hope into this and i

1122
00:49:33,750 --> 00:49:28,240
i just don't want to see it go away i i

1123
00:49:38,069 --> 00:49:36,230
their success is our success our success

1124
00:49:39,589 --> 00:49:38,079
is their success we're all in this

1125
00:49:42,710 --> 00:49:39,599
together

1126
00:49:45,030 --> 00:49:42,720
um you know look everyone

1127
00:49:46,470 --> 00:49:45,040
can have the spotlight momentarily but

1128
00:49:49,270 --> 00:49:46,480
the spotlight on any

1129
00:49:49,990 --> 00:49:49,280
any one of us is the spotlight on all of

1130
00:49:53,589 --> 00:49:50,000
us

1131
00:49:56,309 --> 00:49:53,599
so as divided as the community can be

1132
00:49:57,589 --> 00:49:56,319
um you know we're kind of all in this

1133
00:50:01,030 --> 00:49:57,599
together

1134
00:50:04,230 --> 00:50:01,040
you know i'd like to see more um

1135
00:50:06,390 --> 00:50:04,240
more focus on a common goal and and and

1136
00:50:07,510 --> 00:50:06,400
people working together and we're not

1137
00:50:09,910 --> 00:50:07,520
we're not we're not

1138
00:50:11,589 --> 00:50:09,920
we're not enemies you know we're not

1139
00:50:13,750 --> 00:50:11,599
competing against each other

1140
00:50:15,589 --> 00:50:13,760
we're working together and even though

1141
00:50:19,510 --> 00:50:15,599
we don't always agree on

1142
00:50:27,910 --> 00:50:19,520
cases or tactics or motives or

1143
00:50:30,710 --> 00:50:27,920
objectives um we should be

1144
00:50:31,670 --> 00:50:30,720
lifting each other and and encouraging

1145
00:50:35,109 --> 00:50:31,680
and helping

1146
00:50:37,910 --> 00:50:35,119
each other it's words of wisdom

1147
00:50:39,430 --> 00:50:37,920
and i want to remind the audience that

1148
00:50:43,349 --> 00:50:39,440
at the beginning of this

1149
00:50:46,790 --> 00:50:43,359
year um james

1150
00:50:50,470 --> 00:50:46,800
uh through his distributor had

1151
00:50:52,230 --> 00:50:50,480
secured a full theatrical release

1152
00:50:54,230 --> 00:50:52,240
and we were talking about a thousand

1153
00:50:57,750 --> 00:50:54,240
screens right and this

1154
00:51:00,230 --> 00:50:57,760
the the more than that i think yeah wow

1155
00:51:01,829 --> 00:51:00,240
yeah yeah it eventually got to that kind

1156
00:51:05,030 --> 00:51:01,839
of number right

1157
00:51:08,230 --> 00:51:05,040
and wow the excitement and

1158
00:51:12,630 --> 00:51:08,240
and these deals were done and

1159
00:51:15,190 --> 00:51:12,640
and and covid it just was relentless

1160
00:51:16,470 --> 00:51:15,200
and the next thing you know um i'm

1161
00:51:19,510 --> 00:51:16,480
watching

1162
00:51:22,309 --> 00:51:19,520
you go through this where

1163
00:51:24,470 --> 00:51:22,319
um you put so many years and so much

1164
00:51:27,430 --> 00:51:24,480
effort into this film and it was

1165
00:51:29,510 --> 00:51:27,440
great and we all knew it and this was

1166
00:51:31,109 --> 00:51:29,520
going to be a theatrical release and

1167
00:51:34,549 --> 00:51:31,119
then oh

1168
00:51:38,230 --> 00:51:34,559
and and all of that stopped and

1169
00:51:39,589 --> 00:51:38,240
so when you say right now it's okay

1170
00:51:40,710 --> 00:51:39,599
we're gonna get through this we're all

1171
00:51:43,190 --> 00:51:40,720
in this together

1172
00:51:45,670 --> 00:51:43,200
you could be actually a very angry guy

1173
00:51:47,670 --> 00:51:45,680
right now and upset about the way that

1174
00:51:50,790 --> 00:51:47,680
the cards were dealt and that's not the

1175
00:51:53,109 --> 00:51:50,800
best way to focus on the future is it

1176
00:51:55,750 --> 00:51:53,119
no no not at all you know i mean i mean

1177
00:52:00,390 --> 00:51:55,760
that was a goal of mine for

1178
00:52:03,270 --> 00:52:00,400
20 26 27 years

1179
00:52:04,069 --> 00:52:03,280
and when it happened i was just having

1180
00:52:06,710 --> 00:52:04,079
to pinch myself

1181
00:52:09,030 --> 00:52:06,720
and it was like i said it's been an

1182
00:52:11,670 --> 00:52:09,040
objective my

1183
00:52:12,710 --> 00:52:11,680
because it sort of legitimate

1184
00:52:15,270 --> 00:52:12,720
legitimizes

1185
00:52:17,030 --> 00:52:15,280
the the topic in a way that i wanted to

1186
00:52:20,630 --> 00:52:17,040
see done a lot of people wanted to see

1187
00:52:24,069 --> 00:52:20,640
time and it was just incredibly exciting

1188
00:52:25,109 --> 00:52:24,079
and when uh when kobe hit i was just

1189
00:52:27,030 --> 00:52:25,119
like

1190
00:52:28,390 --> 00:52:27,040
nobody wanted kobe to go away more than

1191
00:52:31,670 --> 00:52:28,400
i did i was like

1192
00:52:35,750 --> 00:52:31,680
no but you know these things happen

1193
00:52:37,829 --> 00:52:35,760
and um the one good thing out of it

1194
00:52:39,990 --> 00:52:37,839
is i often tell people i had people in

1195
00:52:42,390 --> 00:52:40,000
the industry saying to me

1196
00:52:43,589 --> 00:52:42,400
um you know you're going to be in

1197
00:52:45,589 --> 00:52:43,599
theaters you got to do

1198
00:52:46,950 --> 00:52:45,599
you got to hire a sound engineer and

1199
00:52:50,549 --> 00:52:46,960
really do a nice

1200
00:52:53,349 --> 00:52:50,559
5.1 dolby surround mix um

1201
00:52:54,390 --> 00:52:53,359
because trust me your your the audience

1202
00:52:56,870 --> 00:52:54,400
is going to be

1203
00:52:59,030 --> 00:52:56,880
they're going to be irritated and not

1204
00:53:01,829 --> 00:52:59,040
know what it is that's irritating them

1205
00:53:03,670 --> 00:53:01,839
um but that's the effect that sound is

1206
00:53:05,190 --> 00:53:03,680
when sound isn't done properly on a pr

1207
00:53:07,109 --> 00:53:05,200
on a good speaker system

1208
00:53:08,790 --> 00:53:07,119
it's just irritating right that's right

1209
00:53:10,790 --> 00:53:08,800
so the reason why i'm saying this is the

1210
00:53:11,510 --> 00:53:10,800
good news is if you if you have a nice

1211
00:53:14,150 --> 00:53:11,520
stereo

1212
00:53:15,510 --> 00:53:14,160
system or a 5.1 surround home theater

1213
00:53:17,270 --> 00:53:15,520
system

1214
00:53:19,109 --> 00:53:17,280
take full advantage of that because the

1215
00:53:21,910 --> 00:53:19,119
film is that we hired a

1216
00:53:23,430 --> 00:53:21,920
an emmy award-winning sound engineer

1217
00:53:24,870 --> 00:53:23,440
that works with james cameron

1218
00:53:27,670 --> 00:53:24,880
and he spent the better part of eight

1219
00:53:31,270 --> 00:53:27,680
weeks microscopically

1220
00:53:34,549 --> 00:53:31,280
surgically you know working on

1221
00:53:37,430 --> 00:53:34,559
uh every single frame of audio it's just

1222
00:53:39,190 --> 00:53:37,440
one of the most impressive tasks

1223
00:53:42,870 --> 00:53:39,200
operations i've i've seen

1224
00:53:44,710 --> 00:53:42,880
and uh and the end result is when i saw

1225
00:53:46,309 --> 00:53:44,720
that when i saw it on a big screen it's

1226
00:53:48,630 --> 00:53:46,319
down in l.a

1227
00:53:50,390 --> 00:53:48,640
with this 5.1 surround i was just

1228
00:53:52,390 --> 00:53:50,400
floored i mean it was like watching my

1229
00:53:55,270 --> 00:53:52,400
own movie for the first time

1230
00:53:56,309 --> 00:53:55,280
so if anybody out there has a good

1231
00:53:58,470 --> 00:53:56,319
system uh

1232
00:53:59,829 --> 00:53:58,480
do yourselves a favor and watch the film

1233
00:54:00,870 --> 00:53:59,839
with that system because it's truly

1234
00:54:03,589 --> 00:54:00,880
impressive

1235
00:54:04,710 --> 00:54:03,599
well let's uh we'll talk about all of

1236
00:54:07,510 --> 00:54:04,720
this in depth after

1237
00:54:09,190 --> 00:54:07,520
after the break but when you have

1238
00:54:09,990 --> 00:54:09,200
documentaries like out of the blue and

1239
00:54:12,390 --> 00:54:10,000
and i know

1240
00:54:14,069 --> 00:54:12,400
what i saw in your back pocket and part

1241
00:54:17,990 --> 00:54:14,079
of your resume

1242
00:54:18,790 --> 00:54:18,000
uh your your next film can't be a slouch

1243
00:54:21,510 --> 00:54:18,800
act

1244
00:54:23,270 --> 00:54:21,520
right it can't you get you've got you've

1245
00:54:26,230 --> 00:54:23,280
got to top that

1246
00:54:28,470 --> 00:54:26,240
now um and i've got to go into some

1247
00:54:31,190 --> 00:54:28,480
disclosure here with everybody

1248
00:54:32,470 --> 00:54:31,200
over the last few years uh james has

1249
00:54:35,190 --> 00:54:32,480
been sending me

1250
00:54:36,789 --> 00:54:35,200
uh clips from the film immediately

1251
00:54:38,549 --> 00:54:36,799
calling me up did you see it did you see

1252
00:54:41,589 --> 00:54:38,559
it what do you think did you see it

1253
00:54:42,390 --> 00:54:41,599
and through all of the early editing

1254
00:54:45,510 --> 00:54:42,400
stages

1255
00:54:48,230 --> 00:54:45,520
um i saw uh and listened to

1256
00:54:49,670 --> 00:54:48,240
every version of the sound all the way

1257
00:54:53,190 --> 00:54:49,680
up to the very end and i

1258
00:54:55,829 --> 00:54:53,200
i saw it evolve um and so for you

1259
00:54:58,069 --> 00:54:55,839
the question is it's a simple one what

1260
00:55:00,630 --> 00:54:58,079
did you choose to focus on

1261
00:55:02,710 --> 00:55:00,640
was it the script was it the stories was

1262
00:55:06,390 --> 00:55:02,720
it the visuals

1263
00:55:09,349 --> 00:55:06,400
or was it or was it the audio

1264
00:55:10,950 --> 00:55:09,359
it was all of them because remember i

1265
00:55:14,549 --> 00:55:10,960
i've had this goal

1266
00:55:17,510 --> 00:55:14,559
of creating the seminal feature length

1267
00:55:21,990 --> 00:55:17,520
documentary film on the topic of ufos

1268
00:55:25,430 --> 00:55:22,000
that could compete on a mainstream level

1269
00:55:28,470 --> 00:55:25,440
and you know break through and

1270
00:55:28,789 --> 00:55:28,480
i had failed on my previous attempts i

1271
00:55:31,190 --> 00:55:28,799
mean

1272
00:55:32,950 --> 00:55:31,200
look was i moderately happy with out of

1273
00:55:34,950 --> 00:55:32,960
the blue yeah i mean i

1274
00:55:36,150 --> 00:55:34,960
i really worked out of the blue several

1275
00:55:38,789 --> 00:55:36,160
times i mean i

1276
00:55:40,150 --> 00:55:38,799
i put it down for a year one time i put

1277
00:55:40,789 --> 00:55:40,160
it down for three years i spent two more

1278
00:55:43,109 --> 00:55:40,799
years on it

1279
00:55:44,470 --> 00:55:43,119
like seven and a half years at all uh

1280
00:55:46,069 --> 00:55:44,480
but i was still not happy

1281
00:55:48,549 --> 00:55:46,079
same thing with my i know what i saw so

1282
00:55:50,470 --> 00:55:48,559
when i got to this film

1283
00:55:53,510 --> 00:55:50,480
i'd learned from all my previous

1284
00:55:56,710 --> 00:55:53,520
mistakes i had to deal with

1285
00:55:58,230 --> 00:55:56,720
um lionsgate with with i know what i saw

1286
00:56:01,589 --> 00:55:58,240
that was going to be huge

1287
00:56:03,750 --> 00:56:01,599
and it wasn't just the financial gain

1288
00:56:05,349 --> 00:56:03,760
for me but it was the global footprint

1289
00:56:08,309 --> 00:56:05,359
that that came along with

1290
00:56:10,390 --> 00:56:08,319
with the distributor like lionsgate and

1291
00:56:12,069 --> 00:56:10,400
it went up

1292
00:56:13,910 --> 00:56:12,079
through the ranks and eventually got to

1293
00:56:16,150 --> 00:56:13,920
program acquisitions

1294
00:56:17,829 --> 00:56:16,160
and um they said well our tech

1295
00:56:18,549 --> 00:56:17,839
department came back and said you know

1296
00:56:20,870 --> 00:56:18,559
you're

1297
00:56:22,150 --> 00:56:20,880
it's not quite up to par to our our

1298
00:56:25,190 --> 00:56:22,160
standard of

1299
00:56:26,870 --> 00:56:25,200
production values and uh they

1300
00:56:28,789 --> 00:56:26,880
kicked off a few things in the box with

1301
00:56:31,109 --> 00:56:28,799
you know the audio and the

1302
00:56:33,190 --> 00:56:31,119
different frame rates and just blah blah

1303
00:56:35,270 --> 00:56:33,200
it was really kind of depressing

1304
00:56:36,870 --> 00:56:35,280
and um so i said i'll never make that

1305
00:56:37,510 --> 00:56:36,880
mistake again if i can't afford to do it

1306
00:56:40,309 --> 00:56:37,520
right i

1307
00:56:43,030 --> 00:56:40,319
will wait until i can so with this film

1308
00:56:44,309 --> 00:56:43,040
i hired a gentleman named david west

1309
00:56:46,309 --> 00:56:44,319
he was a national geographic

1310
00:56:46,950 --> 00:56:46,319
photographer he worked extremely high in

1311
00:56:48,470 --> 00:56:46,960
photography

1312
00:56:50,150 --> 00:56:48,480
in fact he worked with james cameron as

1313
00:56:52,710 --> 00:56:50,160
well

1314
00:56:53,589 --> 00:56:52,720
um just one of the most amazing

1315
00:56:55,670 --> 00:56:53,599
photographers

1316
00:56:56,950 --> 00:56:55,680
ever i'm super passionate about what he

1317
00:56:58,789 --> 00:56:56,960
does he's

1318
00:57:00,470 --> 00:56:58,799
the guy up wherever we traveled whether

1319
00:57:03,829 --> 00:57:00,480
it was china or

1320
00:57:05,270 --> 00:57:03,839
brazil you know he would last one to bed

1321
00:57:06,390 --> 00:57:05,280
first one up in the morning getting the

1322
00:57:08,950 --> 00:57:06,400
sunrise shooting

1323
00:57:09,510 --> 00:57:08,960
beautiful time lapse photography you

1324
00:57:14,230 --> 00:57:09,520
know

1325
00:57:16,870 --> 00:57:14,240
shot we did i shot drones and

1326
00:57:18,230 --> 00:57:16,880
you know hired a music composer that

1327
00:57:19,430 --> 00:57:18,240
spent a year and a half this guy

1328
00:57:21,670 --> 00:57:19,440
christopher hogue

1329
00:57:22,630 --> 00:57:21,680
put his heart and soul into it one of

1330
00:57:25,109 --> 00:57:22,640
the

1331
00:57:25,990 --> 00:57:25,119
best sound engineers you know a bank of

1332
00:57:28,309 --> 00:57:26,000
editors myself

1333
00:57:29,109 --> 00:57:28,319
included and we just didn't accept i

1334
00:57:31,430 --> 00:57:29,119
mean

1335
00:57:33,430 --> 00:57:31,440
the only thing funny enough that i felt

1336
00:57:36,789 --> 00:57:33,440
a little bit short on

1337
00:57:39,910 --> 00:57:36,799
well it was funny actually because i i i

1338
00:57:40,470 --> 00:57:39,920
i it came down to a handful of graphics

1339
00:57:43,910 --> 00:57:40,480
that we

1340
00:57:45,670 --> 00:57:43,920
i wanted them to be

1341
00:57:47,030 --> 00:57:45,680
there were stuff that was done in a

1342
00:57:50,950 --> 00:57:47,040
previous production that

1343
00:57:52,950 --> 00:57:50,960
um robert hastings had worked on

1344
00:57:53,990 --> 00:57:52,960
ufos and nukes and we just didn't quite

1345
00:57:55,829 --> 00:57:54,000
have the time to

1346
00:57:57,750 --> 00:57:55,839
bring them up to the level that we were

1347
00:57:59,030 --> 00:57:57,760
working with and i kind of lived with a

1348
00:58:02,069 --> 00:57:59,040
with a handful of them

1349
00:58:02,950 --> 00:58:02,079
and i'm not um judging what he did with

1350
00:58:04,390 --> 00:58:02,960
his production

1351
00:58:06,950 --> 00:58:04,400
we were just operating a slightly

1352
00:58:10,549 --> 00:58:06,960
different level and um

1353
00:58:12,309 --> 00:58:10,559
and i read a review from on cnn and they

1354
00:58:14,150 --> 00:58:12,319
had said oh you know amazing testimony

1355
00:58:14,549 --> 00:58:14,160
made this too bad for the graphics but i

1356
00:58:17,030 --> 00:58:14,559
thought

1357
00:58:17,910 --> 00:58:17,040
yeah i i yeah i have to agree with you

1358
00:58:19,670 --> 00:58:17,920
on that one

1359
00:58:21,990 --> 00:58:19,680
but but but again i i try to keep

1360
00:58:23,190 --> 00:58:22,000
everything from the photography to the

1361
00:58:25,190 --> 00:58:23,200
music to the

1362
00:58:27,750 --> 00:58:25,200
to the content to the eyewitness

1363
00:58:29,670 --> 00:58:27,760
testimony to the archival footage

1364
00:58:31,750 --> 00:58:29,680
we went to great lengths to make it look

1365
00:58:33,990 --> 00:58:31,760
pretty and feel pretty and give it pause

1366
00:58:37,349 --> 00:58:34,000
and moments and entertainment and

1367
00:58:38,950 --> 00:58:37,359
it was quite a task and every frame was

1368
00:58:40,390 --> 00:58:38,960
carefully combed through nothing was

1369
00:58:42,710 --> 00:58:40,400
coincidence i mean nothing just

1370
00:58:44,470 --> 00:58:42,720
i mean it was very carefully

1371
00:58:46,230 --> 00:58:44,480
meticulously crafted

1372
00:58:48,390 --> 00:58:46,240
i'm going to make i'm going to make you

1373
00:58:48,789 --> 00:58:48,400
laugh i've seen the film so many times

1374
00:58:51,750 --> 00:58:48,799
now

1375
00:58:51,990 --> 00:58:51,760
over the last uh couple of years that i

1376
00:58:55,910 --> 00:58:52,000
am

1377
00:58:57,109 --> 00:58:55,920
able to be uh very critical because i

1378
00:58:59,670 --> 00:58:57,119
know every frame

1379
00:59:00,309 --> 00:58:59,680
right i'm gonna make you laugh you know

1380
00:59:03,990 --> 00:59:00,319
what i

1381
00:59:07,349 --> 00:59:04,000
guy right i caught a couple

1382
00:59:08,470 --> 00:59:07,359
of things and uh can i drop one on you

1383
00:59:12,069 --> 00:59:08,480
just to make you laugh

1384
00:59:16,789 --> 00:59:12,079
sure sure christopher mellon's

1385
00:59:20,390 --> 00:59:18,549
do you know what i went through that

1386
00:59:21,829 --> 00:59:20,400
morning setting that shot up and it was

1387
00:59:23,990 --> 00:59:21,839
so funny because

1388
00:59:25,030 --> 00:59:24,000
i literally was like move the curtain

1389
00:59:27,030 --> 00:59:25,040
move the chair to this way

1390
00:59:28,230 --> 00:59:27,040
have the lights like we spent several

1391
00:59:31,190 --> 00:59:28,240
hours

1392
00:59:32,870 --> 00:59:31,200
before mr mellon arrived setting the

1393
00:59:34,789 --> 00:59:32,880
lights up the scene i mean we were

1394
00:59:36,470 --> 00:59:34,799
meticulous we went through

1395
00:59:37,589 --> 00:59:36,480
then he sat down and i took a good look

1396
00:59:38,630 --> 00:59:37,599
and i thought you know i need something

1397
00:59:40,470 --> 00:59:38,640
in the background and i

1398
00:59:42,309 --> 00:59:40,480
halted production i said hold off on

1399
00:59:43,190 --> 00:59:42,319
this interview i ran around i needed

1400
00:59:45,910 --> 00:59:43,200
some

1401
00:59:47,190 --> 00:59:45,920
books behind him so i went and i ran

1402
00:59:49,270 --> 00:59:47,200
around this house that we were renting

1403
00:59:51,190 --> 00:59:49,280
and i finally found some books up

1404
00:59:52,390 --> 00:59:51,200
in the upstairs area brought them down

1405
00:59:54,710 --> 00:59:52,400
and put them back there and

1406
00:59:55,829 --> 00:59:54,720
then he sat down and i looked and i

1407
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thought okay this looks

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perfect and then then i noticed after

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the fact that his shirt was unbuttoned

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it's it's one of the callers i've

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watched

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so many people noticed nobody i've just

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seen it too many times

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right and yeah it's just it it sticks

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out so funny uh

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james stay right there i've got to take

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a quick break and

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i want to let everybody know that

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uh i had a conversation early this

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morning

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uh with richard dolan and he let me know

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this morning that his mother passed away

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uh earlier today and our thoughts and

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prayers are with the entire dolan family

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as they go through this through the

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just just just a harsh morning for me to

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wake up to with that

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um but uh anyway with that james fox is

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here

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we're talking about his new film the

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phenomenon so much more to talk about

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tonight stay right there

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host jimmy church tonight james fox is

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here

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and i don't have a squeaky chair

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tomorrow night ronnie dugdale live from

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the uk

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and then thursday night it's christmas

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eve

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with all of you you guys ready james

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are you ready for the holidays you're

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back in san francisco right

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i'm about an hour north in the uh sort

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of countryside

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um but yeah northern california you

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yeah yeah i mean yes

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yes that's a weird hesitation i know

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you know it's just different because

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people can't quite

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do the normal things that we do during

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christmas holidays because we're trying

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not to get

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our elders infected you know what i mean

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so yeah people that we normally hang out

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with are in their 70s and 80s and

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they don't want to get cold your son is

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listening right now go what do you mean

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we're not what

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what there's going to be no christmas

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last

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presents wrapped for him under the tree

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and it's something that he's just

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bubbling over with excitement every day

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he looks at him and last year

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we were like cooking pancake breakfast

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on christmas morning somehow he went in

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the other room

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and he opened all the presents

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we weren't we weren't even there right

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and we were like we were devastated we

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walked in we're like

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ollie what did you do he goes i'm sorry

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i

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me

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when you were a kid did you ever

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find the presents in your parents closet

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and never say anything

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one time and you know what's funny i

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just thought of that the other day

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something on the kitchen floor

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and there was this weird kind of closet

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off in the kitchen at this park that we

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were living at the time

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and i opened up this you know cabinet

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which i would normally not open looking

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for a broom or a dustbin or something

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and there was this remote control car

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that my mother had got from radio shack

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and i just about died i mean i was like

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i i i i it was like the equivalent of

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finding like a bag of

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you know five million dollars in gas

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right like oh my god i thought i had to

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be quiet about it you know it was really

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funny

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yeah you gotta fake it i wrote one time

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one time in one time only

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um i'm probably about eight years old

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and i am tearing my parents bedroom

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apart

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looked in the garage you know and

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and and i'm and i'm like that there's

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got to be stuff here somewhere

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and then i looked under their bed

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right and there everything was just

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packed right

1639
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and i went through and and i

1640
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felt horrible i never did it again

1641
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i did it that one time and and i didn't

1642
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say

1643
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anything and i just that i i did it once

1644
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and after that i know i just i i felt

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horrible

1646
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i felt so bad i felt so my mom

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my mom was dating this other guy because

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my parents separated

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and uh and i remember he

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had a slightly strained initial

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relationship with this guy his name was

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michael

1653
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and and i don't remember exactly how old

1654
01:10:12,149 --> 01:10:10,560
i was but i was bragging about all these

1655
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wonderful presents that santa had bought

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01:10:14,630 --> 01:10:13,199
for me

1657
01:10:16,229 --> 01:10:14,640
and they were driving me to the airport

1658
01:10:18,070 --> 01:10:16,239
to drop me off and i was going to fly up

1659
01:10:21,590 --> 01:10:18,080
north to spend like a you know

1660
01:10:23,430 --> 01:10:21,600
the holidays with my dad and

1661
01:10:25,669 --> 01:10:23,440
got out of the car at the airport you

1662
01:10:27,350 --> 01:10:25,679
know checking my bag or whatever

1663
01:10:29,430 --> 01:10:27,360
i was like santa got me this and santa

1664
01:10:30,470 --> 01:10:29,440
got me that my stepdad looks at me and

1665
01:10:32,709 --> 01:10:30,480
he goes

1666
01:10:34,790 --> 01:10:32,719
looking kid santa claus doesn't exist i

1667
01:10:36,950 --> 01:10:34,800
bought you those presents

1668
01:10:38,550 --> 01:10:36,960
and i was just like it was like a gut

1669
01:10:41,590 --> 01:10:38,560
punch i was like oh

1670
01:10:43,350 --> 01:10:41,600
oh that's how i discovered that santa

1671
01:10:46,310 --> 01:10:43,360
claus didn't exist

1672
01:10:46,870 --> 01:10:46,320
yeah my sister carol uh pulled that crap

1673
01:10:50,149 --> 01:10:46,880
on me

1674
01:10:53,830 --> 01:10:50,159
and i was i was probably around five

1675
01:10:57,030 --> 01:10:53,840
i'm guessing five or six and i ran

1676
01:10:58,790 --> 01:10:57,040
straight to my mom carol says santa

1677
01:11:02,070 --> 01:10:58,800
claus isn't real

1678
01:11:05,350 --> 01:11:02,080
and i was i mean i was torn up man i was

1679
01:11:06,630 --> 01:11:05,360
torn up i was i was devastated i mean it

1680
01:11:07,270 --> 01:11:06,640
was like i remember it like it was

1681
01:11:09,910 --> 01:11:07,280
yesterday

1682
01:11:10,709 --> 01:11:09,920
isn't that funny i think i think my

1683
01:11:15,030 --> 01:11:10,719
sister got

1684
01:11:17,830 --> 01:11:15,040
grounded for like a month

1685
01:11:18,470 --> 01:11:17,840
and uh yeah so there you go all right

1686
01:11:21,990 --> 01:11:18,480
now

1687
01:11:24,390 --> 01:11:22,000
i'm going to turn the tables on you um

1688
01:11:25,350 --> 01:11:24,400
a little uh disclaimer here for

1689
01:11:28,709 --> 01:11:25,360
everybody

1690
01:11:31,110 --> 01:11:28,719
as uh this film got put together

1691
01:11:32,470 --> 01:11:31,120
uh james would call me up and and ask me

1692
01:11:35,510 --> 01:11:32,480
what i thought about this or that

1693
01:11:39,590 --> 01:11:35,520
and then as the film got completed

1694
01:11:41,910 --> 01:11:39,600
and finished uh james

1695
01:11:43,189 --> 01:11:41,920
favorite question to me was okay what's

1696
01:11:46,070 --> 01:11:43,199
your favorite part

1697
01:11:46,390 --> 01:11:46,080
favorite what's your favorite well i'm

1698
01:11:50,630 --> 01:11:46,400
gonna

1699
01:11:56,229 --> 01:11:50,640
what's your

1700
01:12:00,700 --> 01:11:57,510
i'm trying to think if anyone's ever

1701
01:12:03,030 --> 01:12:00,710
asked me that um

1702
01:12:06,229 --> 01:12:03,040
[Music]

1703
01:12:07,669 --> 01:12:06,239
can i get i can only have one yeah see

1704
01:12:10,229 --> 01:12:07,679
because i've got

1705
01:12:10,870 --> 01:12:10,239
i've got a i've got a three-way tie

1706
01:12:13,990 --> 01:12:10,880
actually

1707
01:12:17,030 --> 01:12:14,000
i've got a three-way tie but but no

1708
01:12:25,830 --> 01:12:17,040
yeah you only get one

1709
01:12:32,709 --> 01:12:29,350
i would say rua yep

1710
01:12:36,390 --> 01:12:32,719
yep what oh there's a butt

1711
01:12:39,510 --> 01:12:36,400
okay yes coro

1712
01:12:42,470 --> 01:12:39,520
yeah and

1713
01:12:44,070 --> 01:12:42,480
you know when jacques ballet got

1714
01:12:48,709 --> 01:12:44,080
involved with the

1715
01:12:51,750 --> 01:12:48,719
film thank you lee spiegel um

1716
01:12:54,870 --> 01:12:51,760
one of the reasons he he he he

1717
01:12:56,310 --> 01:12:54,880
almost felt an obligation because uh we

1718
01:12:58,630 --> 01:12:56,320
finally lured him into the

1719
01:13:00,950 --> 01:12:58,640
into the edit studio which i think i've

1720
01:13:02,390 --> 01:13:00,960
probably told most of your listeners

1721
01:13:04,070 --> 01:13:02,400
was at the end of a dirt road in a

1722
01:13:05,830 --> 01:13:04,080
little shack with no running water no

1723
01:13:07,990 --> 01:13:05,840
toilet no internet

1724
01:13:09,270 --> 01:13:08,000
and i had an extension cord running out

1725
01:13:10,310 --> 01:13:09,280
from this other woman's house in this

1726
01:13:11,830 --> 01:13:10,320
garden

1727
01:13:13,910 --> 01:13:11,840
and we was supposed to be just a

1728
01:13:14,709 --> 01:13:13,920
temporary spot but i just couldn't find

1729
01:13:16,709 --> 01:13:14,719
anything

1730
01:13:18,470 --> 01:13:16,719
locally in this community that i live in

1731
01:13:20,070 --> 01:13:18,480
and i've been here forever

1732
01:13:21,510 --> 01:13:20,080
just wasn't anything available it was

1733
01:13:23,910 --> 01:13:21,520
remotely affordable

1734
01:13:25,270 --> 01:13:23,920
so we kind of had to like you know when

1735
01:13:27,430 --> 01:13:25,280
jacques

1736
01:13:28,790 --> 01:13:27,440
got involved and we finally again lured

1737
01:13:30,149 --> 01:13:28,800
him out to the edit studio because we

1738
01:13:31,590 --> 01:13:30,159
wanted to get a higher level of

1739
01:13:32,950 --> 01:13:31,600
participation with him

1740
01:13:34,950 --> 01:13:32,960
and he wanted to see some of the content

1741
01:13:36,470 --> 01:13:34,960
we were sitting on um

1742
01:13:38,470 --> 01:13:36,480
we had to kind of practice him ahead of

1743
01:13:39,830 --> 01:13:38,480
time like hey just so you know

1744
01:13:41,350 --> 01:13:39,840
you know we're doing this we're doing

1745
01:13:43,669 --> 01:13:41,360
this film we're kind of you know

1746
01:13:45,910 --> 01:13:43,679
temporarily in this little shack

1747
01:13:47,430 --> 01:13:45,920
and it's the road but you know don't

1748
01:13:48,310 --> 01:13:47,440
bring your own supplies make sure you

1749
01:13:49,910 --> 01:13:48,320
take care of

1750
01:13:51,990 --> 01:13:49,920
all your business before you get here

1751
01:13:53,189 --> 01:13:52,000
because you know so anyway so he came

1752
01:13:54,550 --> 01:13:53,199
out

1753
01:13:55,830 --> 01:13:54,560
we got so much incredible work done

1754
01:13:57,590 --> 01:13:55,840
because there was absolutely nothing

1755
01:13:58,310 --> 01:13:57,600
else to do once we locked ourselves in

1756
01:14:00,070 --> 01:13:58,320
the studio

1757
01:14:01,350 --> 01:14:00,080
and it was a soundproof studio because

1758
01:14:03,590 --> 01:14:01,360
it was built

1759
01:14:04,630 --> 01:14:03,600
this gentleman built it with to to do

1760
01:14:05,990 --> 01:14:04,640
band practice

1761
01:14:08,149 --> 01:14:06,000
and then he ended up moving to hawaii

1762
01:14:11,910 --> 01:14:08,159
and having a kid so he just left there

1763
01:14:15,590 --> 01:14:11,920
and um jacques saw

1764
01:14:17,830 --> 01:14:15,600
all of the uh the lengths the great

1765
01:14:20,149 --> 01:14:17,840
lengths i went to put together

1766
01:14:22,070 --> 01:14:20,159
document the whole squirrel case i mean

1767
01:14:24,390 --> 01:14:22,080
i i went back and forth to support new

1768
01:14:28,070 --> 01:14:24,400
mexico over a five-year period i

1769
01:14:30,470 --> 01:14:28,080
i went and spent a week with uh um

1770
01:14:33,189 --> 01:14:30,480
the guy that wrote the book on it um

1771
01:14:35,830 --> 01:14:33,199
socorro saucer in a pentagon pantry

1772
01:14:36,790 --> 01:14:35,840
um his name is escaping me i'll think of

1773
01:14:38,550 --> 01:14:36,800
it in a second but

1774
01:14:40,470 --> 01:14:38,560
i went to the national archives and i

1775
01:14:41,590 --> 01:14:40,480
ray stanford i uncovered all these

1776
01:14:44,229 --> 01:14:41,600
archival

1777
01:14:45,830 --> 01:14:44,239
documents and and i got to know his wife

1778
01:14:47,910 --> 01:14:45,840
i got to know his daughter i got to know

1779
01:14:50,790 --> 01:14:47,920
his son i got to know his co-workers

1780
01:14:52,790 --> 01:14:50,800
i got most of them on camera and i put a

1781
01:14:56,070 --> 01:14:52,800
lot of time and effort into that case

1782
01:14:59,350 --> 01:14:56,080
a lot and jacques lived through that

1783
01:15:01,990 --> 01:14:59,360
period jacques you know

1784
01:15:03,030 --> 01:15:02,000
was wasn't just another case for him it

1785
01:15:05,430 --> 01:15:03,040
was like this

1786
01:15:06,870 --> 01:15:05,440
it's what that case represented you know

1787
01:15:09,750 --> 01:15:06,880
it's also the human element

1788
01:15:10,870 --> 01:15:09,760
you know how this incident affected the

1789
01:15:13,189 --> 01:15:10,880
lives of of so

1790
01:15:16,070 --> 01:15:13,199
the zamoras particularly lottie zamora

1791
01:15:18,709 --> 01:15:16,080
and his job as a police officer and

1792
01:15:20,070 --> 01:15:18,719
you know the impact it had on him for

1793
01:15:23,590 --> 01:15:20,080
forever

1794
01:15:25,110 --> 01:15:23,600
and um jacques was happened to be and if

1795
01:15:26,630 --> 01:15:25,120
i'm boring your audience is telling me

1796
01:15:27,590 --> 01:15:26,640
but i'll go into a little more detail on

1797
01:15:28,870 --> 01:15:27,600
this case but

1798
01:15:30,470 --> 01:15:28,880
jacques just happened to get an

1799
01:15:32,149 --> 01:15:30,480
invitation to write paterson air force

1800
01:15:35,669 --> 01:15:32,159
base in dayton ohio

1801
01:15:38,310 --> 01:15:35,679
in april of 1964 he was there with

1802
01:15:39,910 --> 01:15:38,320
dr heineck who is as your audience knows

1803
01:15:41,510 --> 01:15:39,920
the scientific advisor to project blue

1804
01:15:43,990 --> 01:15:41,520
book for the air force

1805
01:15:45,910 --> 01:15:44,000
so he was getting this tour of the base

1806
01:15:47,990 --> 01:15:45,920
and he said it was quite impressive

1807
01:15:49,830 --> 01:15:48,000
and jock said that he was trying to

1808
01:15:51,990 --> 01:15:49,840
encourage

1809
01:15:55,189 --> 01:15:52,000
dr heineck to take a look at a lot of

1810
01:15:57,350 --> 01:15:55,199
the project blue book files that were

1811
01:15:59,990 --> 01:15:57,360
categorized as psychological because

1812
01:16:02,229 --> 01:16:00,000
those were most probably

1813
01:16:03,910 --> 01:16:02,239
close encounters of the third kind cases

1814
01:16:05,270 --> 01:16:03,920
that a lot of which were happening in

1815
01:16:07,189 --> 01:16:05,280
france

1816
01:16:08,550 --> 01:16:07,199
a little earlier i think they had a wave

1817
01:16:10,709 --> 01:16:08,560
closer count as the third kind i think

1818
01:16:12,390 --> 01:16:10,719
it was in 57 in france

1819
01:16:15,270 --> 01:16:12,400
and so he was trying to tell heinek

1820
01:16:18,470 --> 01:16:15,280
about this that these were happening

1821
01:16:19,830 --> 01:16:18,480
and literally two days later uh hyatt

1822
01:16:21,430 --> 01:16:19,840
gets a phone call and that was that

1823
01:16:24,950 --> 01:16:21,440
landing case in socorro

1824
01:16:28,229 --> 01:16:24,960
so jacques got to see the evolution

1825
01:16:30,630 --> 01:16:28,239
of dr heineck's thought process and

1826
01:16:31,350 --> 01:16:30,640
investigation and and the fact that he

1827
01:16:34,390 --> 01:16:31,360
did kind of

1828
01:16:37,350 --> 01:16:34,400
almost a 180 on on on

1829
01:16:38,550 --> 01:16:37,360
ufos and and all that at his time with

1830
01:16:40,470 --> 01:16:38,560
the air force

1831
01:16:42,550 --> 01:16:40,480
that was the pivotal case that was the

1832
01:16:45,990 --> 01:16:42,560
case that sort of changed everything

1833
01:16:47,590 --> 01:16:46,000
and so to have that behind-the-scenes

1834
01:16:48,070 --> 01:16:47,600
perspective from jacques from somebody

1835
01:16:51,189 --> 01:16:48,080
who actually

1836
01:16:52,470 --> 01:16:51,199
lived through that was was just you know

1837
01:16:54,709 --> 01:16:52,480
priceless really

1838
01:16:56,149 --> 01:16:54,719
and so he felt an obligation to help us

1839
01:16:58,070 --> 01:16:56,159
get it right

1840
01:17:00,229 --> 01:16:58,080
and uh and he really he would do

1841
01:17:02,070 --> 01:17:00,239
marathon edit sessions with us

1842
01:17:03,590 --> 01:17:02,080
he'd sit in the edit room and and really

1843
01:17:05,189 --> 01:17:03,600
you know look this is what's relevant

1844
01:17:05,669 --> 01:17:05,199
what's not relevant and really just get

1845
01:17:09,910 --> 01:17:05,679
to the

1846
01:17:11,510 --> 01:17:09,920
obviously show lots of

1847
01:17:14,070 --> 01:17:11,520
wonderful evidence and wonderful

1848
01:17:16,390 --> 01:17:14,080
testimony but but also the impact

1849
01:17:17,110 --> 01:17:16,400
the human element the impact it had on

1850
01:17:20,310 --> 01:17:17,120
his life and

1851
01:17:23,350 --> 01:17:20,320
his wife and stuff like that so it was

1852
01:17:27,110 --> 01:17:23,360
a really powerful case and

1853
01:17:30,229 --> 01:17:27,120
when i and when i went to

1854
01:17:35,110 --> 01:17:30,239
los angeles to listen to the

1855
01:17:38,870 --> 01:17:35,120
film post uh 5.1 dolby surround

1856
01:17:40,870 --> 01:17:38,880
mix this guy had spent at juniper post a

1857
01:17:44,229 --> 01:17:40,880
significant amount of time working this

1858
01:17:47,590 --> 01:17:44,239
audio i mean he was doing it to win

1859
01:17:49,510 --> 01:17:47,600
the voices and this is kind of mundia

1860
01:17:51,350 --> 01:17:49,520
who's also an editor on the project

1861
01:17:52,709 --> 01:17:51,360
he was like i had these letters that i

1862
01:17:55,430 --> 01:17:52,719
found at

1863
01:17:55,750 --> 01:17:55,440
um lonnie zamoro's home that he kept

1864
01:17:58,709 --> 01:17:55,760
like

1865
01:18:00,709 --> 01:17:58,719
all these records of correspondence with

1866
01:18:02,390 --> 01:18:00,719
the air force and correspondence with

1867
01:18:03,590 --> 01:18:02,400
with people from all around the world at

1868
01:18:04,390 --> 01:18:03,600
the time that send them all these

1869
01:18:07,590 --> 01:18:04,400
letters

1870
01:18:09,110 --> 01:18:07,600
and he had clip-outs of cutouts of

1871
01:18:10,709 --> 01:18:09,120
newspaper articles and

1872
01:18:12,390 --> 01:18:10,719
stuff that no one's ever seen before and

1873
01:18:14,550 --> 01:18:12,400
he kept totally to himself

1874
01:18:15,910 --> 01:18:14,560
his wife with his permission let me go

1875
01:18:18,470 --> 01:18:15,920
through all this

1876
01:18:20,390 --> 01:18:18,480
and i found these incredible letters of

1877
01:18:22,630 --> 01:18:20,400
you know april and may and

1878
01:18:23,910 --> 01:18:22,640
june of 1964 from all these people

1879
01:18:25,350 --> 01:18:23,920
around the world and i

1880
01:18:26,870 --> 01:18:25,360
i really wanted to get them in the film

1881
01:18:28,149 --> 01:18:26,880
but i just wasn't sure exactly how to go

1882
01:18:29,590 --> 01:18:28,159
about doing it i kept kind of pushing

1883
01:18:31,510 --> 01:18:29,600
them to the side

1884
01:18:33,669 --> 01:18:31,520
and finally lance is like hey man we

1885
01:18:34,950 --> 01:18:33,679
should we should read some of these

1886
01:18:36,550 --> 01:18:34,960
and just read them in the middle of the

1887
01:18:37,510 --> 01:18:36,560
piece so i got all these different

1888
01:18:40,470 --> 01:18:37,520
people to read

1889
01:18:41,830 --> 01:18:40,480
excerpts of of these letters from all

1890
01:18:43,430 --> 01:18:41,840
these people that we brought them back

1891
01:18:47,110 --> 01:18:43,440
to life after 50 years

1892
01:18:48,790 --> 01:18:47,120
50-plus years and the mix the audio mix

1893
01:18:51,750 --> 01:18:48,800
at the 5.1 dolby

1894
01:18:53,669 --> 01:18:51,760
mix that this guy didn't down in l.a the

1895
01:18:55,030 --> 01:18:53,679
voices would dance around the room all

1896
01:18:56,070 --> 01:18:55,040
the different speakers and it was just

1897
01:18:59,110 --> 01:18:56,080
like

1898
01:19:01,990 --> 01:18:59,120
wow the impact of that was so powerful

1899
01:19:03,030 --> 01:19:02,000
i i literally almost started to cry and

1900
01:19:04,870 --> 01:19:03,040
um

1901
01:19:06,310 --> 01:19:04,880
and that was probably the first time i

1902
01:19:07,590 --> 01:19:06,320
realized i think this is one of my

1903
01:19:10,550 --> 01:19:07,600
favorite cases and it

1904
01:19:12,950 --> 01:19:10,560
but it's that and and ruined i know you

1905
01:19:15,590 --> 01:19:12,960
said i could only have one

1906
01:19:17,350 --> 01:19:15,600
but boy they're both very compelling

1907
01:19:18,229 --> 01:19:17,360
cases because it's not just another case

1908
01:19:20,390 --> 01:19:18,239
it's also

1909
01:19:22,310 --> 01:19:20,400
the impact it had on the witness the

1910
01:19:24,950 --> 01:19:22,320
impact it had the human factor

1911
01:19:26,070 --> 01:19:24,960
that's really powerful yeah for me it's

1912
01:19:29,510 --> 01:19:26,080
a three-way tie

1913
01:19:32,550 --> 01:19:29,520
it's westall it's uh it's socorro

1914
01:19:34,870 --> 01:19:32,560
and it's rwa uh yeah no doubt what

1915
01:19:35,590 --> 01:19:34,880
it's really good yeah and they're

1916
01:19:38,870 --> 01:19:35,600
because

1917
01:19:40,470 --> 01:19:38,880
there are golden nuggets in each segment

1918
01:19:41,590 --> 01:19:40,480
of the film which each one of those

1919
01:19:43,990 --> 01:19:41,600
cases

1920
01:19:46,390 --> 01:19:44,000
um that is going to blow people away

1921
01:19:49,669 --> 01:19:46,400
we're not going to do any spoilers here

1922
01:19:50,149 --> 01:19:49,679
but uh so you've got that going for each

1923
01:19:53,030 --> 01:19:50,159
case

1924
01:19:53,510 --> 01:19:53,040
but the other thing is this which i

1925
01:19:56,630 --> 01:19:53,520
think is

1926
01:19:57,910 --> 01:19:56,640
is so important for those outside of the

1927
01:19:59,990 --> 01:19:57,920
ufo community

1928
01:20:00,950 --> 01:20:00,000
that are going to see this film that uh

1929
01:20:03,110 --> 01:20:00,960
probably

1930
01:20:04,149 --> 01:20:03,120
you know they they know what a ufo is

1931
01:20:07,750 --> 01:20:04,159
but they don't know about

1932
01:20:10,310 --> 01:20:07,760
cases and something like westdoll

1933
01:20:11,270 --> 01:20:10,320
which guaranteed you know they've never

1934
01:20:15,270 --> 01:20:11,280
heard of

1935
01:20:17,430 --> 01:20:15,280
and and they get it

1936
01:20:18,629 --> 01:20:17,440
uh the way that you deal with it in this

1937
01:20:21,430 --> 01:20:18,639
film that's

1938
01:20:22,629 --> 01:20:21,440
gold man that is gold and then to go

1939
01:20:26,070 --> 01:20:22,639
back and revisit

1940
01:20:28,149 --> 01:20:26,080
ronnie or lonnie zamora um

1941
01:20:29,110 --> 01:20:28,159
it's a case that and i don't know why

1942
01:20:31,350 --> 01:20:29,120
james

1943
01:20:32,310 --> 01:20:31,360
it's a case that doesn't have the

1944
01:20:34,709 --> 01:20:32,320
recognition

1945
01:20:35,510 --> 01:20:34,719
even inside of the ufo community that it

1946
01:20:39,030 --> 01:20:35,520
deserves

1947
01:20:41,270 --> 01:20:39,040
and i don't know why that is why why why

1948
01:20:45,350 --> 01:20:41,280
why is socorro like the red-headed

1949
01:20:49,510 --> 01:20:48,790
well you know i would have to say that

1950
01:20:52,229 --> 01:20:49,520
someone has

1951
01:20:53,830 --> 01:20:52,239
done several films on the topic i had

1952
01:20:55,750 --> 01:20:53,840
discarded it because i was like oh it's

1953
01:20:57,030 --> 01:20:55,760
an older case and kind of been there and

1954
01:21:00,310 --> 01:20:57,040
done that it's been covered

1955
01:21:01,350 --> 01:21:00,320
you know was it uh unsolved mysteries

1956
01:21:03,270 --> 01:21:01,360
back in 94

1957
01:21:04,550 --> 01:21:03,280
and kind of beat to death and you know

1958
01:21:07,030 --> 01:21:04,560
because i remember when

1959
01:21:08,870 --> 01:21:07,040
uh one of my early partners had

1960
01:21:10,629 --> 01:21:08,880
mentioned that case to me and of course

1961
01:21:12,310 --> 01:21:10,639
i'd heard of it and stuff and

1962
01:21:14,310 --> 01:21:12,320
i was like oh it's kind of an older case

1963
01:21:14,790 --> 01:21:14,320
it's over 50 years old like it's kind of

1964
01:21:16,870 --> 01:21:14,800
again

1965
01:21:18,310 --> 01:21:16,880
it's kind of like it's like what kind of

1966
01:21:19,350 --> 01:21:18,320
roswell you know it's like oh we've been

1967
01:21:21,430 --> 01:21:19,360
there done that and like

1968
01:21:22,709 --> 01:21:21,440
okay it was a landing and yeah maybe he

1969
01:21:24,310 --> 01:21:22,719
saw something but

1970
01:21:26,229 --> 01:21:24,320
boy i tell you when i stuck my teeth

1971
01:21:29,510 --> 01:21:26,239
into that case and thank god i did

1972
01:21:30,550 --> 01:21:29,520
the time i did because um you know his

1973
01:21:34,070 --> 01:21:30,560
his wife mary

1974
01:21:39,110 --> 01:21:34,080
unfortunately had passed and i just

1975
01:21:42,709 --> 01:21:39,120
trying to get her

1976
01:21:44,709 --> 01:21:42,719
copy of the film for her to see

1977
01:21:45,830 --> 01:21:44,719
and i got news that she passed and i was

1978
01:21:49,910 --> 01:21:45,840
so

1979
01:21:51,350 --> 01:21:49,920
gutted over that that mary lonnie's wife

1980
01:21:53,110 --> 01:21:51,360
you know and we kept in touch we wrote

1981
01:21:53,830 --> 01:21:53,120
each other christmas cards and she would

1982
01:21:56,709 --> 01:21:53,840
always knit

1983
01:21:58,550 --> 01:21:56,719
she admit little blankets for my son and

1984
01:22:00,229 --> 01:21:58,560
i bought her truck i bought lonnie

1985
01:22:02,149 --> 01:22:00,239
and her truck the truck they did all

1986
01:22:04,390 --> 01:22:02,159
their their summer vacations in

1987
01:22:06,310 --> 01:22:04,400
and that they bought brand new in 1972

1988
01:22:07,189 --> 01:22:06,320
or maybe like it had like 100 miles on

1989
01:22:08,390 --> 01:22:07,199
it or something

1990
01:22:09,750 --> 01:22:08,400
and it was sitting in the driveway and

1991
01:22:10,709 --> 01:22:09,760
she's like i can't drive anymore i

1992
01:22:13,510 --> 01:22:10,719
really became

1993
01:22:14,629 --> 01:22:13,520
like friends with the family and i loved

1994
01:22:17,590 --> 01:22:14,639
mary and i

1995
01:22:18,550 --> 01:22:17,600
loved her daughter and the case got

1996
01:22:20,390 --> 01:22:18,560
really

1997
01:22:22,310 --> 01:22:20,400
close to me and i was like wow there's a

1998
01:22:25,590 --> 01:22:22,320
lot more to learn about this case

1999
01:22:27,830 --> 01:22:25,600
you know ray stanford wrote the book um

2000
01:22:29,189 --> 01:22:27,840
i i mentioned it earlier socorro saucer

2001
01:22:31,350 --> 01:22:29,199
in the pentagon pantry and

2002
01:22:32,629 --> 01:22:31,360
the family had told me look this is you

2003
01:22:34,470 --> 01:22:32,639
know this guy got

2004
01:22:35,910 --> 01:22:34,480
according to our dad this guy got it

2005
01:22:38,470 --> 01:22:35,920
right i mean this is

2006
01:22:40,709 --> 01:22:38,480
really what happened and um i'll share

2007
01:22:42,310 --> 01:22:40,719
one more quick funny little story is

2008
01:22:43,830 --> 01:22:42,320
there's been all this controversy

2009
01:22:45,030 --> 01:22:43,840
swirling around about the symbol that

2010
01:22:48,310 --> 01:22:45,040
was on the side of the craft

2011
01:22:49,830 --> 01:22:48,320
right and ray yeah and you know

2012
01:22:51,430 --> 01:22:49,840
the military got there within an hour of

2013
01:22:55,590 --> 01:22:51,440
the site it happened in april 24th

2014
01:22:58,550 --> 01:22:55,600
which is the friday 1964 at about 5 p.m

2015
01:22:59,590 --> 01:22:58,560
and i think around 6 p.m the military

2016
01:23:01,510 --> 01:22:59,600
from

2017
01:23:03,110 --> 01:23:01,520
uh white sands testing range holland air

2018
01:23:04,470 --> 01:23:03,120
force base got in there a guy whose name

2019
01:23:06,709 --> 01:23:04,480
was richard t holder one of the first

2020
01:23:09,270 --> 01:23:06,719
officers that was the fbi there

2021
01:23:10,790 --> 01:23:09,280
and they deliberately and quite

2022
01:23:14,709 --> 01:23:10,800
rightfully so

2023
01:23:16,310 --> 01:23:14,719
asked lonnie to change the symbol

2024
01:23:18,149 --> 01:23:16,320
that red symbol that was about three

2025
01:23:21,189 --> 01:23:18,159
feet by three feet

2026
01:23:22,229 --> 01:23:21,199
on the ufo on the egg shaped craft to

2027
01:23:24,390 --> 01:23:22,239
something different

2028
01:23:26,149 --> 01:23:24,400
and their reasoning behind that was and

2029
01:23:29,270 --> 01:23:26,159
i talked to the richard holder's

2030
01:23:29,990 --> 01:23:29,280
two sons and the family and and lonnie's

2031
01:23:31,350 --> 01:23:30,000
family

2032
01:23:33,430 --> 01:23:31,360
was because if they could quickly

2033
01:23:36,229 --> 01:23:33,440
identify a potential hoax

2034
01:23:37,910 --> 01:23:36,239
if um you know somebody else said hey i

2035
01:23:39,189 --> 01:23:37,920
saw the same thing and yeah i saw that

2036
01:23:41,030 --> 01:23:39,199
symbol on the side

2037
01:23:42,390 --> 01:23:41,040
the military would quickly be able to

2038
01:23:44,870 --> 01:23:42,400
identify that as a hoaxer

2039
01:23:45,750 --> 01:23:44,880
so they did that it was a great idea but

2040
01:23:48,629 --> 01:23:45,760
it stuck

2041
01:23:50,390 --> 01:23:48,639
and they actually had lonnie draw it out

2042
01:23:53,270 --> 01:23:50,400
on a piece of paper at the time

2043
01:23:53,910 --> 01:23:53,280
the fake one and uh and lonnie stuck to

2044
01:23:57,189 --> 01:23:53,920
his guns

2045
01:23:59,590 --> 01:23:57,199
publicly about that but ray stanford

2046
01:24:00,550 --> 01:23:59,600
spoke with lonnie and spoke with with uh

2047
01:24:02,070 --> 01:24:00,560
with dr

2048
01:24:04,790 --> 01:24:02,080
heineck who was on the scene within a

2049
01:24:07,430 --> 01:24:04,800
few days or maybe a day or two

2050
01:24:09,270 --> 01:24:07,440
uh and he knew otherwise and he knew

2051
01:24:11,590 --> 01:24:09,280
there were aspects of the story they had

2052
01:24:13,030 --> 01:24:11,600
leaked out before the military got there

2053
01:24:16,149 --> 01:24:13,040
and put the kibosh down about

2054
01:24:17,510 --> 01:24:16,159
within an hour and uh and ray for 50 the

2055
01:24:18,870 --> 01:24:17,520
better part of 50 years have been saying

2056
01:24:20,470 --> 01:24:18,880
no this is not the right symbol and

2057
01:24:22,070 --> 01:24:20,480
people kept kind of

2058
01:24:23,750 --> 01:24:22,080
criticizing him and saying that he was

2059
01:24:25,990 --> 01:24:23,760
incorrect well well ray and i

2060
01:24:27,430 --> 01:24:26,000
went to the national archives together

2061
01:24:28,550 --> 01:24:27,440
and i had to almost grab him by the ear

2062
01:24:29,590 --> 01:24:28,560
to take him with me because he was like

2063
01:24:30,790 --> 01:24:29,600
ah there's anything that's going to be

2064
01:24:32,149 --> 01:24:30,800
found it's already been found it's going

2065
01:24:34,870 --> 01:24:32,159
to be a waste of time

2066
01:24:36,310 --> 01:24:34,880
we ended up finding the holy grail of

2067
01:24:38,149 --> 01:24:36,320
documents

2068
01:24:40,229 --> 01:24:38,159
written in dr jalen heidi's own

2069
01:24:42,870 --> 01:24:40,239
handwriting the original not a photocopy

2070
01:24:45,430 --> 01:24:42,880
not a microfilm the original letter

2071
01:24:48,149 --> 01:24:45,440
in hindi handwriting and he draws the

2072
01:24:49,750 --> 01:24:48,159
real symbols just as ray has been saying

2073
01:24:52,310 --> 01:24:49,760
for all these years and it was like a

2074
01:24:55,350 --> 01:24:52,320
really um

2075
01:24:56,870 --> 01:24:55,360
wonderful moment for ray and uh a very

2076
01:24:58,229 --> 01:24:56,880
exciting moment in production so the

2077
01:25:00,390 --> 01:24:58,239
real symbol

2078
01:25:02,070 --> 01:25:00,400
in fact we didn't do a big feature

2079
01:25:03,189 --> 01:25:02,080
during the film about the symbol don't

2080
01:25:04,390 --> 01:25:03,199
ask me why but

2081
01:25:06,709 --> 01:25:04,400
don't really have time for all this

2082
01:25:08,550 --> 01:25:06,719
stuff but we do feature the real symbol

2083
01:25:09,830 --> 01:25:08,560
on the side of the animated craft in the

2084
01:25:11,110 --> 01:25:09,840
film

2085
01:25:13,110 --> 01:25:11,120
the one that's on the graph is the real

2086
01:25:17,110 --> 01:25:13,120
symbol yeah has the real

2087
01:25:20,629 --> 01:25:17,120
symbol ever surfaced in another ufo case

2088
01:25:22,390 --> 01:25:20,639
in the world no oh

2089
01:25:24,070 --> 01:25:22,400
sorry when you say the real symbol you

2090
01:25:24,550 --> 01:25:24,080
mean like other symbols on other ufo

2091
01:25:25,430 --> 01:25:24,560
cases

2092
01:25:27,910 --> 01:25:25,440
are you talking about this one in

2093
01:25:31,510 --> 01:25:27,920
particular yeah the real symbol

2094
01:25:32,390 --> 01:25:31,520
uh the j alan heineck right the real

2095
01:25:35,990 --> 01:25:32,400
symbol

2096
01:25:38,470 --> 01:25:36,000
has has it ever surfaced in another case

2097
01:25:39,990 --> 01:25:38,480
to the best of my knowledge no and i

2098
01:25:43,430 --> 01:25:40,000
actually gave that document

2099
01:25:44,950 --> 01:25:43,440
to dr dr jacques ballet and he was

2100
01:25:46,470 --> 01:25:44,960
obviously very excited to get that he

2101
01:25:47,030 --> 01:25:46,480
was like oh my gosh i can't believe you

2102
01:25:48,709 --> 01:25:47,040
introduced

2103
01:25:49,750 --> 01:25:48,719
the the wife i can't believe you did

2104
01:25:50,629 --> 01:25:49,760
this i can't believe you got this

2105
01:25:52,470 --> 01:25:50,639
document

2106
01:25:55,110 --> 01:25:52,480
and and jacques had done some background

2107
01:25:58,390 --> 01:25:55,120
on it to find out and to do exactly that

2108
01:26:00,629 --> 01:25:58,400
and no it's come up nothing so um

2109
01:26:02,149 --> 01:26:00,639
it was an inverted v was basically like

2110
01:26:03,750 --> 01:26:02,159
an a with two lines in the middle and

2111
01:26:05,669 --> 01:26:03,760
one on top

2112
01:26:07,350 --> 01:26:05,679
and it was red and it was i think it was

2113
01:26:08,310 --> 01:26:07,360
like roughly three feet by three feet on

2114
01:26:09,910 --> 01:26:08,320
the side of that white

2115
01:26:11,990 --> 01:26:09,920
eggshell craft it's funny actually

2116
01:26:13,270 --> 01:26:12,000
because i was working extensively on

2117
01:26:16,149 --> 01:26:13,280
this case

2118
01:26:16,950 --> 01:26:16,159
and getting to know the case quite well

2119
01:26:19,910 --> 01:26:16,960
actually like

2120
01:26:20,550 --> 01:26:19,920
really well and i feel like i know that

2121
01:26:24,629 --> 01:26:20,560
case

2122
01:26:27,430 --> 01:26:24,639
really really well right after you know

2123
01:26:27,750 --> 01:26:27,440
wrapping up my year's investigation on

2124
01:26:30,550 --> 01:26:27,760
this

2125
01:26:32,709 --> 01:26:30,560
court case i remember when dave kraber

2126
01:26:35,830 --> 01:26:32,719
describes his encounter off the coast of

2127
01:26:37,750 --> 01:26:35,840
up off the west coast san diego and he

2128
01:26:40,709 --> 01:26:37,760
calls it a tic tac i was like well

2129
01:26:41,830 --> 01:26:40,719
tic tac white kind of egg shaped you

2130
01:26:46,629 --> 01:26:41,840
know

2131
01:26:48,629 --> 01:26:46,639
shaped egg perhaps but

2132
01:26:50,229 --> 01:26:48,639
it's kind of similar you know 1964 it

2133
01:26:51,510 --> 01:26:50,239
was white shaped kind of like an egg i

2134
01:26:54,709 --> 01:26:51,520
don't know did they have tic tacs back

2135
01:26:57,910 --> 01:26:54,719
in 1964 i don't know

2136
01:27:04,790 --> 01:27:01,830
yeah i know i know the similarities are

2137
01:27:05,830 --> 01:27:04,800
are are right there the only thing that

2138
01:27:09,189 --> 01:27:05,840
throws me off

2139
01:27:12,470 --> 01:27:09,199
about the socorro case is the flame

2140
01:27:15,110 --> 01:27:12,480
uh no the the the noise

2141
01:27:16,550 --> 01:27:15,120
yes but that noise stopped it did stop

2142
01:27:18,790 --> 01:27:16,560
only did it

2143
01:27:21,270 --> 01:27:18,800
yeah it rose to 20 feet off the ground

2144
01:27:23,750 --> 01:27:21,280
and the blue flame that was beneath it

2145
01:27:25,189 --> 01:27:23,760
didn't hit the ground and stir up rocks

2146
01:27:27,669 --> 01:27:25,199
and dust like a normal

2147
01:27:28,550 --> 01:27:27,679
jet propulsion would do flame from a

2148
01:27:30,629 --> 01:27:28,560
rocket

2149
01:27:31,990 --> 01:27:30,639
it actually penetrated the ground like a

2150
01:27:33,830 --> 01:27:32,000
knife through warm butter

2151
01:27:35,590 --> 01:27:33,840
it didn't stir anything up it was a blue

2152
01:27:38,870 --> 01:27:35,600
flame that went straight

2153
01:27:42,390 --> 01:27:38,880
through the into the ground and um

2154
01:27:44,470 --> 01:27:42,400
and when it got to to about 20 feet 15

2155
01:27:46,950 --> 01:27:44,480
20 feet 30 at the max

2156
01:27:47,790 --> 01:27:46,960
it shut off and you could hear a pin

2157
01:27:50,709 --> 01:27:47,800
drop it was

2158
01:27:51,669 --> 01:27:50,719
absolutely silent um

2159
01:27:53,110 --> 01:27:51,679
i don't know if a lot of people know

2160
01:27:54,229 --> 01:27:53,120
that or not but that's yeah that's a

2161
01:27:56,950 --> 01:27:54,239
fact

2162
01:27:58,870 --> 01:27:56,960
yeah and uh there one last thing about

2163
01:27:59,669 --> 01:27:58,880
the socorro case and we've got to hit a

2164
01:28:02,870 --> 01:27:59,679
break

2165
01:28:06,070 --> 01:28:02,880
is sorry no no that's okay that's okay

2166
01:28:10,470 --> 01:28:06,080
is is all of the documentation about

2167
01:28:13,590 --> 01:28:10,480
the testing of uh the lunar lander

2168
01:28:16,070 --> 01:28:13,600
and the when you go and you look

2169
01:28:18,550 --> 01:28:16,080
at uh at it first off they don't

2170
01:28:21,430 --> 01:28:18,560
resemble each other and and back then

2171
01:28:23,270 --> 01:28:21,440
what they were testing with uh i think

2172
01:28:27,189 --> 01:28:23,280
what they call it the lev

2173
01:28:28,149 --> 01:28:27,199
is is uh uh not covered with anything it

2174
01:28:31,510 --> 01:28:28,159
was just like

2175
01:28:34,629 --> 01:28:31,520
an erector set right that and and

2176
01:28:38,470 --> 01:28:34,639
that testing didn't actually kick off

2177
01:28:41,990 --> 01:28:38,480
for another six months after zamoro's

2178
01:28:42,790 --> 01:28:42,000
uh sighting and and that was one of the

2179
01:28:45,110 --> 01:28:42,800
things where they

2180
01:28:47,910 --> 01:28:45,120
tried to push that they tried to push it

2181
01:28:51,030 --> 01:28:47,920
was the lunar lander

2182
01:28:52,950 --> 01:28:51,040
the air force wanted nothing more than

2183
01:28:53,990 --> 01:28:52,960
to provide a prosaic explanation for

2184
01:28:56,550 --> 01:28:54,000
that case

2185
01:28:57,590 --> 01:28:56,560
and they researched and beat that one to

2186
01:29:00,790 --> 01:28:57,600
death and they

2187
01:29:03,910 --> 01:29:00,800
were not able to do that

2188
01:29:05,990 --> 01:29:03,920
so that lunar lander story is

2189
01:29:07,590 --> 01:29:06,000
the absolute hogwash anyone thinks that

2190
01:29:08,390 --> 01:29:07,600
it has anything to do with what lonnie

2191
01:29:11,030 --> 01:29:08,400
saw

2192
01:29:12,310 --> 01:29:11,040
it could further from yeah that couldn't

2193
01:29:14,470 --> 01:29:12,320
be further from the truth so

2194
01:29:15,750 --> 01:29:14,480
yeah the little lighter things then

2195
01:29:17,189 --> 01:29:15,760
there was another thing about that

2196
01:29:20,229 --> 01:29:17,199
though the mind um

2197
01:29:20,790 --> 01:29:20,239
institute the universe there's a college

2198
01:29:22,390 --> 01:29:20,800
there

2199
01:29:24,070 --> 01:29:22,400
that some kids were playing a prank

2200
01:29:24,870 --> 01:29:24,080
that's total card that's complete

2201
01:29:26,790 --> 01:29:24,880
nonsense

2202
01:29:28,550 --> 01:29:26,800
let's take our break right here our

2203
01:29:30,390 --> 01:29:28,560
guest tonight the one and only james fox

2204
01:29:33,590 --> 01:29:30,400
we're talking about his new film

2205
01:29:34,629 --> 01:29:33,600
it's a hit the phenomenon i'm your host

2206
01:29:38,229 --> 01:29:34,639
jimmy church

2207
01:29:40,550 --> 01:29:38,239
on the game changer network and k g kgra

2208
01:29:52,090 --> 01:29:40,560
the planet more james after this short

2209
01:29:59,189 --> 01:29:52,100
break stay with us

2210
01:30:05,990 --> 01:30:02,390
way out here we listen to jimmy church

2211
01:30:07,910 --> 01:30:06,000
you're listening to fade to black

2212
01:30:09,430 --> 01:30:07,920
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2213
01:30:27,350 --> 01:30:09,440
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2214
01:30:31,430 --> 01:30:29,430
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2215
01:30:33,430 --> 01:30:31,440
not of course you do

2216
01:30:36,510 --> 01:30:33,440
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2217
01:30:38,310 --> 01:30:36,520
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what is the deal with kids

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and schools and e.t contact

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the the similarities between westall

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and rua they cannot be measured we can

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just stack them up on top of each other

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uh two cases two different continents

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uh extraordinary what's what's the deal

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is it

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is there an agenda with with et when it

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comes to this kind of contact

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you know there were a lot of

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other school landing cases that we were

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learning about one in

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england one in france one in los angeles

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jacques was was pointing some of these

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out

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and you know you can't help but wonder

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um you know you look into these cases

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and

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uh by the way the um

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the landing case westall uh australia

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just outside

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mel i think it's a suburb of melbourne

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um that was

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uh you know shane ryan and and james

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rigney that that played a huge part in

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the whole ufo contingent

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in in australia to really help uh make

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that uh case a reality in terms of um

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bringing together all the witnesses and

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really helped facilitate that segment of

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the film

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truly grateful but you know you you

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every one of these landing cases i've

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looked into and i have obviously there's

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a lot that i haven't looked into

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but the objects were seen in and around

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the area for

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several days prior to landing

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uh like with rua for instance it you

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know 1994 in

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um aerial school rue zimbabwe

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the just outside i don't know it's like

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30 minutes outside the capital harare

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that ufo had been seen in and around the

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area for several days

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by adults we feature a little bit of

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that coverage

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uh the newsreel footage from 1994 at the

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opening scene at that that particular

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case

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but but it picked the school of land and

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the same thing with um

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with with westall and like i said

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there's cases in london

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cases sorry in england and in france and

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in

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order to jacques la and uh

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you you can't help but wonder hey if you

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look

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i've talked to military guys lots of

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them all around the world

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that anything penetrating anything

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whizzing around our aerospace that's

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unknown

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we generally uh have a fairly hostile

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position towards these things we try to

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shoot them down

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right shoot first ask questions later

2396
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and uh so it's kind of interesting that

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they have landed at schools because

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you know it seems to be a rather benign

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environment right

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a safe place to do it um and

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that was one of the comments that

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jacques actually had made on rogan's

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show which i thought was really cool

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and that is that uh you know this isn't

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the right

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interpretation of having an aggressive

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hostile

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stance towards ufos is just not

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it's not right it shouldn't be that way

2410
01:38:33,109 --> 01:38:31,360
jacques had said look if they were here

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to destroy us believe me they could do

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it

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they've demonstrated a technology that's

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vastly

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advanced from anything that we have um

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and so yeah i mean one can only

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speculate but

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it certainly seems to be uh you know

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a likely scenario that uh hey man if i

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were

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might

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pick a school to land too myself

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01:39:02,310 --> 01:39:01,760
and there were a couple of things that

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made

2425
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uh the case so special uh i'm talking

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about rua

2427
01:39:12,709 --> 01:39:10,000
um for me it's

2428
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it's the kids and their eyewitness

2429
01:39:17,270 --> 01:39:14,480
testimony at that age

2430
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and the drawings that they were able to

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produce

2432
01:39:25,030 --> 01:39:22,000
and some of them are just incredible

2433
01:39:28,149 --> 01:39:25,040
there's that and then we have

2434
01:39:32,229 --> 01:39:28,159
the footage that was shot

2435
01:39:34,870 --> 01:39:32,239
um in in pretty good quality by the way

2436
01:39:35,590 --> 01:39:34,880
um that you were able to take advantage

2437
01:39:38,830 --> 01:39:35,600
of how

2438
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how fortunate uh was that to have

2439
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happened

2440
01:39:47,430 --> 01:39:44,719
incredibly fortunate and

2441
01:39:48,149 --> 01:39:47,440
the footage was was professionally done

2442
01:39:50,629 --> 01:39:48,159
with dr

2443
01:39:53,350 --> 01:39:50,639
john mack in the film crew back in 1994

2444
01:39:55,189 --> 01:39:53,360
right after the incident occurred

2445
01:39:56,629 --> 01:39:55,199
a lot of people say oh there were 66

2446
01:39:58,950 --> 01:39:56,639
kids in the in the school ground that

2447
01:40:02,629 --> 01:39:58,960
day they're actually closer to a hundred

2448
01:40:03,189 --> 01:40:02,639
um 66 of them went on camera and dr john

2449
01:40:05,830 --> 01:40:03,199
mack

2450
01:40:06,790 --> 01:40:05,840
from harvard had a professional film

2451
01:40:08,629 --> 01:40:06,800
crew there

2452
01:40:09,910 --> 01:40:08,639
and whatever technology there was at the

2453
01:40:12,629 --> 01:40:09,920
time it's probably digital

2454
01:40:14,470 --> 01:40:12,639
cassette tape mini dv or something but

2455
01:40:16,709 --> 01:40:14,480
we took that

2456
01:40:17,990 --> 01:40:16,719
through a filter which was rather

2457
01:40:20,070 --> 01:40:18,000
tedious

2458
01:40:21,830 --> 01:40:20,080
but we took a lot of processing speed

2459
01:40:23,270 --> 01:40:21,840
but we really we cleaned it up even more

2460
01:40:24,709 --> 01:40:23,280
then we hired a sound engineer to clean

2461
01:40:27,350 --> 01:40:24,719
the audio up even more

2462
01:40:28,390 --> 01:40:27,360
and uh really made that footage pop i

2463
01:40:31,189 --> 01:40:28,400
remember

2464
01:40:31,990 --> 01:40:31,199
someone who had some of the original

2465
01:40:33,990 --> 01:40:32,000
footage like hey

2466
01:40:35,030 --> 01:40:34,000
did did you get was it was just

2467
01:40:36,310 --> 01:40:35,040
different like

2468
01:40:38,629 --> 01:40:36,320
did it looks a lot better than this

2469
01:40:40,390 --> 01:40:38,639
stuff though we did a lot of processing

2470
01:40:41,910 --> 01:40:40,400
to really make that stuff pop you know

2471
01:40:44,310 --> 01:40:41,920
the color correction of my buddy

2472
01:40:45,270 --> 01:40:44,320
forest zuma does color correction and

2473
01:40:47,350 --> 01:40:45,280
and um

2474
01:40:48,390 --> 01:40:47,360
no that's it's it's incredible i mean

2475
01:40:50,470 --> 01:40:48,400
you know

2476
01:40:52,390 --> 01:40:50,480
the sheer i would the volume of

2477
01:40:53,830 --> 01:40:52,400
eyewitness testimony from those children

2478
01:40:55,270 --> 01:40:53,840
and matching their stories i mean some

2479
01:40:56,629 --> 01:40:55,280
people say some of the kids said there

2480
01:40:58,310 --> 01:40:56,639
was there was hair other people said

2481
01:40:58,629 --> 01:40:58,320
there wasn't air but they all described

2482
01:41:02,149 --> 01:40:58,639
these

2483
01:41:06,070 --> 01:41:02,159
massive big black eyes diminutive bodies

2484
01:41:07,590 --> 01:41:06,080
small in stature um the ufos some of

2485
01:41:09,990 --> 01:41:07,600
that lights

2486
01:41:11,510 --> 01:41:10,000
um this is a fascinating case man this

2487
01:41:13,510 --> 01:41:11,520
is truly

2488
01:41:15,750 --> 01:41:13,520
uh one of the most compelling close

2489
01:41:19,430 --> 01:41:15,760
encounters of the third kind in

2490
01:41:22,310 --> 01:41:19,440
in in world history not just in africa

2491
01:41:23,030 --> 01:41:22,320
anywhere show me a more compelling case

2492
01:41:27,030 --> 01:41:23,040
uh

2493
01:41:29,830 --> 01:41:27,040
westall they're both in the film

2494
01:41:30,629 --> 01:41:29,840
and um and staying on ruwa for a second

2495
01:41:31,990 --> 01:41:30,639
how much

2496
01:41:34,070 --> 01:41:32,000
well but westball wasn't a close

2497
01:41:34,709 --> 01:41:34,080
encounter the third kind no that's that

2498
01:41:38,550 --> 01:41:34,719
that's the

2499
01:41:39,830 --> 01:41:38,560
a lot but that's that's one that stands

2500
01:41:43,109 --> 01:41:39,840
out big difference

2501
01:41:43,910 --> 01:41:43,119
it is it is um how much of the uh mac

2502
01:41:46,470 --> 01:41:43,920
footage

2503
01:41:48,149 --> 01:41:46,480
uh did you have the opportunity to go

2504
01:41:52,149 --> 01:41:48,159
through all of it

2505
01:41:55,510 --> 01:41:52,159
all of it all of it every second

2506
01:41:58,310 --> 01:41:55,520
yeah it was a very very tedious

2507
01:41:59,510 --> 01:41:58,320
uh project that was one of the most

2508
01:42:02,470 --> 01:41:59,520
difficult edits

2509
01:42:04,149 --> 01:42:02,480
and i remember working with this guy

2510
01:42:06,870 --> 01:42:04,159
walter merch

2511
01:42:07,830 --> 01:42:06,880
jr his father is a very famous filmmaker

2512
01:42:11,590 --> 01:42:07,840
who worked with

2513
01:42:14,870 --> 01:42:11,600
lucas and coppola he worked on

2514
01:42:16,629 --> 01:42:14,880
apocalypse now and

2515
01:42:18,629 --> 01:42:16,639
i don't know if we were like six months

2516
01:42:20,709 --> 01:42:18,639
into it or three months into it

2517
01:42:22,149 --> 01:42:20,719
he was like oh my god there's just so

2518
01:42:24,149 --> 01:42:22,159
much stuff like how

2519
01:42:25,910 --> 01:42:24,159
i'm overwhelmed how are we gonna do this

2520
01:42:28,070 --> 01:42:25,920
you know we could only we had 10 minutes

2521
01:42:30,470 --> 01:42:28,080
to tell the whole story maybe 12.

2522
01:42:31,109 --> 01:42:30,480
you know but certainly no more than that

2523
01:42:33,430 --> 01:42:31,119
and we had

2524
01:42:35,109 --> 01:42:33,440
adult interviews you know with with the

2525
01:42:36,310 --> 01:42:35,119
children as adults 20 years later we

2526
01:42:37,830 --> 01:42:36,320
brought them together from all different

2527
01:42:39,590 --> 01:42:37,840
corners of the world and

2528
01:42:41,590 --> 01:42:39,600
and then of course i went to africa and

2529
01:42:44,229 --> 01:42:41,600
i met with more witnesses and

2530
01:42:45,669 --> 01:42:44,239
then a very brief meeting on camera with

2531
01:42:47,510 --> 01:42:45,679
judy bates who's now the

2532
01:42:48,709 --> 01:42:47,520
the head mistress at the time was it was

2533
01:42:51,189 --> 01:42:48,719
a school teacher

2534
01:42:51,830 --> 01:42:51,199
and we had to you know whittle it down

2535
01:42:55,990 --> 01:42:51,840
to

2536
01:42:57,750 --> 01:42:56,000
process but uh but it was

2537
01:42:59,350 --> 01:42:57,760
but it was a lot of fun to work on that

2538
01:43:01,750 --> 01:42:59,360
case because it was just

2539
01:43:02,629 --> 01:43:01,760
it's just so moving so compelling how

2540
01:43:06,790 --> 01:43:02,639
how easy

2541
01:43:09,910 --> 01:43:06,800
forward

2542
01:43:10,310 --> 01:43:09,920
was she uh was she a hostile witness

2543
01:43:13,910 --> 01:43:10,320
yeah

2544
01:43:16,870 --> 01:43:13,920
impossible so

2545
01:43:17,910 --> 01:43:16,880
she made it abundantly clear look you

2546
01:43:20,629 --> 01:43:17,920
can

2547
01:43:22,830 --> 01:43:20,639
do your shooting in at school grounds

2548
01:43:25,830 --> 01:43:22,840
that's fine

2549
01:43:27,830 --> 01:43:25,840
but i you know do

2550
01:43:30,390 --> 01:43:27,840
i'm not going to participate you know at

2551
01:43:32,470 --> 01:43:30,400
all hey i respect that no problem

2552
01:43:33,990 --> 01:43:32,480
thank you for letting us film here thank

2553
01:43:36,070 --> 01:43:34,000
you for letting us bring more

2554
01:43:38,390 --> 01:43:36,080
of your former students to the landing

2555
01:43:40,550 --> 01:43:38,400
site and do all that stuff and i'm

2556
01:43:41,030 --> 01:43:40,560
standing outside with the local film

2557
01:43:45,109 --> 01:43:41,040
crew

2558
01:43:45,830 --> 01:43:45,119
i hired local and i see her come out of

2559
01:43:48,950 --> 01:43:45,840
her office

2560
01:43:50,390 --> 01:43:48,960
and start walking towards us

2561
01:43:52,310 --> 01:43:50,400
and she just had like a little bit of

2562
01:43:53,910 --> 01:43:52,320
facial surgery she had some

2563
01:43:55,350 --> 01:43:53,920
a little piece of something removed off

2564
01:43:57,189 --> 01:43:55,360
her nose or her

2565
01:43:58,790 --> 01:43:57,199
cheek or something she had a band a

2566
01:44:02,629 --> 01:43:58,800
fresh bandage on her face and

2567
01:44:05,750 --> 01:44:02,639
she came out and she said hello to the

2568
01:44:05,990 --> 01:44:05,760
former students and and she started to

2569
01:44:09,350 --> 01:44:06,000
talk

2570
01:44:11,030 --> 01:44:09,360
about the case and her views on it

2571
01:44:14,149 --> 01:44:11,040
and i looked at the camera guys and i

2572
01:44:16,149 --> 01:44:14,159
was like turn the cameras and i said

2573
01:44:17,910 --> 01:44:16,159
judy with all due respect could you

2574
01:44:20,149 --> 01:44:17,920
please like

2575
01:44:21,750 --> 01:44:20,159
you know i value your your statement so

2576
01:44:24,550 --> 01:44:21,760
much it'd be great if you could just

2577
01:44:25,750 --> 01:44:24,560
say what you just said you know well i

2578
01:44:27,669 --> 01:44:25,760
don't see you know what

2579
01:44:29,430 --> 01:44:27,679
my contribution it's like oh [\h__\h] well

2580
01:44:30,629 --> 01:44:29,440
okay fine she just made the decision

2581
01:44:31,910 --> 01:44:30,639
right then and there

2582
01:44:33,990 --> 01:44:31,920
that she was going to say what she was

2583
01:44:35,910 --> 01:44:34,000
going to say if you if you listen very

2584
01:44:37,750 --> 01:44:35,920
carefully to what she says you kind of

2585
01:44:39,990 --> 01:44:37,760
have to read between the lines but

2586
01:44:41,030 --> 01:44:40,000
she basically confirms that she had

2587
01:44:43,750 --> 01:44:41,040
confirmation

2588
01:44:45,669 --> 01:44:43,760
she was she lied about it she was

2589
01:44:49,350 --> 01:44:45,679
concerned more about her own

2590
01:44:52,310 --> 01:44:49,360
career and her own experience

2591
01:44:54,390 --> 01:44:52,320
so she was processing her own experience

2592
01:44:57,109 --> 01:44:54,400
she had

2593
01:44:58,070 --> 01:44:57,119
full confirmation that that landing case

2594
01:45:01,990 --> 01:44:58,080
took place

2595
01:45:05,030 --> 01:45:02,000
and the two yeah now that was 1994 so 25

2596
01:45:07,030 --> 01:45:05,040
years have passed uh if we go through to

2597
01:45:08,550 --> 01:45:07,040
today i don't know when you did your

2598
01:45:12,790 --> 01:45:08,560
shooting in ruwa

2599
01:45:15,109 --> 01:45:12,800
but um a couple years ago

2600
01:45:16,229 --> 01:45:15,119
a couple of years ago okay so 23 years

2601
01:45:19,270 --> 01:45:16,239
have passed

2602
01:45:24,070 --> 01:45:19,280
how how did how how did it

2603
01:45:27,430 --> 01:45:24,080
change uh these these kids lives

2604
01:45:31,750 --> 01:45:27,440
as as an adult what were you able to

2605
01:45:34,310 --> 01:45:31,760
uh uh pull from that

2606
01:45:36,149 --> 01:45:34,320
they remember like it was yesterday it's

2607
01:45:38,390 --> 01:45:36,159
etched in their memories

2608
01:45:39,510 --> 01:45:38,400
they i mean look you know it's one thing

2609
01:45:42,550 --> 01:45:39,520
to see

2610
01:45:44,070 --> 01:45:42,560
something unidentified in the sky it's

2611
01:45:46,390 --> 01:45:44,080
entirely another game

2612
01:45:48,070 --> 01:45:46,400
when you've got a landed object in beans

2613
01:45:50,870 --> 01:45:48,080
standing next to it

2614
01:45:52,310 --> 01:45:50,880
so that's a level of confirmation very

2615
01:45:54,629 --> 01:45:52,320
few people will get

2616
01:45:56,470 --> 01:45:54,639
right i mean i've talked to a lot of

2617
01:45:59,430 --> 01:45:56,480
witnesses around the world

2618
01:46:01,430 --> 01:45:59,440
and um some very compelling cases up

2619
01:46:03,590 --> 01:46:01,440
close to atlanta ufo

2620
01:46:05,430 --> 01:46:03,600
but not that many people i've spoken

2621
01:46:08,470 --> 01:46:05,440
with had seen bodies

2622
01:46:08,870 --> 01:46:08,480
entities standing next to the landed

2623
01:46:11,990 --> 01:46:08,880
object

2624
01:46:15,189 --> 01:46:12,000
associated with the ufo and that's

2625
01:46:17,750 --> 01:46:15,199
especially it you know they got some of

2626
01:46:19,510 --> 01:46:17,760
the witnesses got within arm's length

2627
01:46:21,270 --> 01:46:19,520
i had to take a take a moment in the

2628
01:46:22,390 --> 01:46:21,280
film and actually i think it was like

2629
01:46:24,709 --> 01:46:22,400
after a year

2630
01:46:25,990 --> 01:46:24,719
or maybe two of looking at that same

2631
01:46:27,270 --> 01:46:26,000
segment over and over i was like i don't

2632
01:46:30,390 --> 01:46:27,280
think this is landing

2633
01:46:32,390 --> 01:46:30,400
the way it should she says about a meter

2634
01:46:33,669 --> 01:46:32,400
and it kind of quickly edits it goes on

2635
01:46:34,870 --> 01:46:33,679
to the next scene and i thought you know

2636
01:46:37,109 --> 01:46:34,880
i'm gonna pause

2637
01:46:39,030 --> 01:46:37,119
and really hit this one home here a

2638
01:46:40,709 --> 01:46:39,040
meter that's three feet that's like

2639
01:46:42,229 --> 01:46:40,719
you could reach out and touch this being

2640
01:46:44,790 --> 01:46:42,239
that's that close

2641
01:46:46,229 --> 01:46:44,800
that's face to face and i think a lot of

2642
01:46:46,629 --> 01:46:46,239
that a lot of people had missed that and

2643
01:46:48,870 --> 01:46:46,639
so i

2644
01:46:50,070 --> 01:46:48,880
i sort of paused and i define a meter

2645
01:46:50,550 --> 01:46:50,080
and people are like oh james you don't

2646
01:46:51,990 --> 01:46:50,560
need to

2647
01:46:53,669 --> 01:46:52,000
you know go to that link but no i

2648
01:46:54,709 --> 01:46:53,679
thought i did so i

2649
01:46:57,350 --> 01:46:54,719
actually i don't know if you remember

2650
01:46:59,510 --> 01:46:57,360
that scene in the film which i do

2651
01:47:00,390 --> 01:46:59,520
it's been asked by a reporter it was

2652
01:47:03,590 --> 01:47:00,400
almost

2653
01:47:10,790 --> 01:47:03,600
amazing

2654
01:47:12,629 --> 01:47:10,800
and she said um about a meter away and

2655
01:47:14,070 --> 01:47:12,639
it was like holy moley a lot of

2656
01:47:15,750 --> 01:47:14,080
americans don't know what a meter is i

2657
01:47:18,550 --> 01:47:15,760
mean it's not a lot of people do but

2658
01:47:19,750 --> 01:47:18,560
it's about three feet three feet i yeah

2659
01:47:21,990 --> 01:47:19,760
i paused and i

2660
01:47:23,750 --> 01:47:22,000
spelled it out and you know some people

2661
01:47:24,950 --> 01:47:23,760
might think that i was underestimating

2662
01:47:26,070 --> 01:47:24,960
the intelligence not to say the

2663
01:47:28,310 --> 01:47:26,080
intelligence but the

2664
01:47:29,430 --> 01:47:28,320
knowing but i thought was important

2665
01:47:31,350 --> 01:47:29,440
that's a very important

2666
01:47:32,950 --> 01:47:31,360
aspect of the encounter it was this

2667
01:47:34,070 --> 01:47:32,960
wasn't something they saw way off in the

2668
01:47:35,990 --> 01:47:34,080
distance

2669
01:47:38,310 --> 01:47:36,000
uh this was like face to face that's

2670
01:47:41,189 --> 01:47:38,320
that's that's significant that matters

2671
01:47:42,629 --> 01:47:41,199
and not only was it uh you know a close

2672
01:47:43,830 --> 01:47:42,639
encounter of the third kind but there

2673
01:47:47,189 --> 01:47:43,840
was communication

2674
01:47:50,390 --> 01:47:47,199
too as well and and that

2675
01:47:54,390 --> 01:47:50,400
coming you know i don't know how a child

2676
01:47:56,629 --> 01:47:54,400
uh understands you know absorbs

2677
01:47:57,510 --> 01:47:56,639
uh not only the significance of the

2678
01:48:00,790 --> 01:47:57,520
moment

2679
01:48:03,590 --> 01:48:00,800
but how this communication is going down

2680
01:48:03,990 --> 01:48:03,600
as an adult to recall this you captured

2681
01:48:06,390 --> 01:48:04,000
it so

2682
01:48:07,830 --> 01:48:06,400
well on film but what was going through

2683
01:48:10,470 --> 01:48:07,840
your mind when you hear this kind of

2684
01:48:14,550 --> 01:48:10,480
testimony

2685
01:48:18,310 --> 01:48:14,560
it was one of the most

2686
01:48:22,149 --> 01:48:18,320
amazing days of my life

2687
01:48:25,750 --> 01:48:22,159
spending time with those witnesses

2688
01:48:26,390 --> 01:48:25,760
i cannot because look i would say to

2689
01:48:29,830 --> 01:48:26,400
them

2690
01:48:32,950 --> 01:48:29,840
look you guys had such a rare

2691
01:48:36,950 --> 01:48:32,960
experience it's so rare

2692
01:48:38,870 --> 01:48:36,960
that put me there

2693
01:48:40,950 --> 01:48:38,880
but you know i just want to be there

2694
01:48:42,470 --> 01:48:40,960
what was it like what did you see

2695
01:48:44,629 --> 01:48:42,480
give me as much description as you

2696
01:48:47,430 --> 01:48:44,639
possibly can and to have

2697
01:48:48,229 --> 01:48:47,440
to have the opportunity as a filmmaker

2698
01:48:51,350 --> 01:48:48,239
to

2699
01:48:53,030 --> 01:48:51,360
see the

2700
01:48:54,870 --> 01:48:53,040
archival footage of them as children but

2701
01:48:56,629 --> 01:48:54,880
then to meet them as adults and have

2702
01:48:58,629 --> 01:48:56,639
time to process this whole

2703
01:49:00,149 --> 01:48:58,639
incident and and really think about it

2704
01:49:02,229 --> 01:49:00,159
and and and

2705
01:49:03,510 --> 01:49:02,239
and then have the ability better to

2706
01:49:05,750 --> 01:49:03,520
articulate

2707
01:49:06,870 --> 01:49:05,760
what it was that whole experience was

2708
01:49:09,750 --> 01:49:06,880
it's just

2709
01:49:10,310 --> 01:49:09,760
it's one of the most amazing uh moments

2710
01:49:13,430 --> 01:49:10,320
of my

2711
01:49:15,030 --> 01:49:13,440
career quite honestly and um i really

2712
01:49:17,109 --> 01:49:15,040
wanted to be put in that spot

2713
01:49:18,709 --> 01:49:17,119
i wanted to know what was it like to

2714
01:49:20,550 --> 01:49:18,719
stare into the eyes

2715
01:49:22,709 --> 01:49:20,560
of potentially a being from another

2716
01:49:24,149 --> 01:49:22,719
world you know yeah

2717
01:49:27,030 --> 01:49:24,159
well and you've been at the right place

2718
01:49:28,790 --> 01:49:27,040
at the right time uh

2719
01:49:30,390 --> 01:49:28,800
at a few points in your life and

2720
01:49:32,229 --> 01:49:30,400
certainly in this film

2721
01:49:33,990 --> 01:49:32,239
and one of those is the friggin park

2722
01:49:35,430 --> 01:49:34,000
bench in australia and we're going to

2723
01:49:37,830 --> 01:49:35,440
get to that oh my god

2724
01:49:39,109 --> 01:49:37,840
okay hold on i could write a book i

2725
01:49:42,470 --> 01:49:39,119
could write a book on that

2726
01:49:45,990 --> 01:49:42,480
oh man and i'm not getting you

2727
01:49:49,910 --> 01:49:46,000
i know well now uh

2728
01:49:52,070 --> 01:49:49,920
and let's talk about west hall now um

2729
01:49:53,109 --> 01:49:52,080
i very early on i'm going to make this

2730
01:49:55,910 --> 01:49:53,119
very brief

2731
01:49:57,830 --> 01:49:55,920
um in some of the earlier shows uh here

2732
01:49:58,870 --> 01:49:57,840
on fade to black uh you know six seven

2733
01:50:01,990 --> 01:49:58,880
years ago

2734
01:50:05,030 --> 01:50:02,000
i i spent a lot of time on westall

2735
01:50:06,870 --> 01:50:05,040
and uh for for all of the right reasons

2736
01:50:09,270 --> 01:50:06,880
it was just an extraordinary case and

2737
01:50:12,629 --> 01:50:09,280
the more that i dived into it

2738
01:50:13,030 --> 01:50:12,639
uh the more that i learned and it's it's

2739
01:50:16,790 --> 01:50:13,040
just

2740
01:50:20,870 --> 01:50:16,800
about as significant as it gets

2741
01:50:23,910 --> 01:50:20,880
um and so now you jump into this case

2742
01:50:26,470 --> 01:50:23,920
and now we've got nearly the same

2743
01:50:28,870 --> 01:50:26,480
situation where we've got the eyewitness

2744
01:50:29,589 --> 01:50:28,880
uh the children well you had adults too

2745
01:50:32,709 --> 01:50:29,599
but

2746
01:50:35,750 --> 01:50:32,719
uh and then you're able to turn around

2747
01:50:38,709 --> 01:50:35,760
and interview some of them so many

2748
01:50:39,109 --> 01:50:38,719
years later what's your takeaway of west

2749
01:50:40,709 --> 01:50:39,119
all

2750
01:50:44,390 --> 01:50:40,719
when you're interviewing the witnesses

2751
01:50:46,870 --> 01:50:44,400
so many years later west hall was 1966.

2752
01:50:48,629 --> 01:50:46,880
so we've got a pretty good chunk of time

2753
01:50:54,229 --> 01:50:48,639
now

2754
01:50:56,149 --> 01:50:54,239
uh he had the beans the ledged beans

2755
01:50:57,589 --> 01:50:56,159
exited the craft in fact i did a radio

2756
01:50:58,790 --> 01:50:57,599
show while it was there was a pretty

2757
01:51:02,070 --> 01:50:58,800
famous

2758
01:51:03,750 --> 01:51:02,080
radio host in i think it was melbourne

2759
01:51:05,430 --> 01:51:03,760
or it might have been sydney i'm sorry

2760
01:51:07,669 --> 01:51:05,440
i'm trying to remember but

2761
01:51:09,270 --> 01:51:07,679
there was a call it was it's a white

2762
01:51:11,270 --> 01:51:09,280
it's a national show all across

2763
01:51:12,390 --> 01:51:11,280
australia it's very widely listed new

2764
01:51:13,990 --> 01:51:12,400
very mainstream

2765
01:51:15,669 --> 01:51:14,000
and i was doing this radio show with

2766
01:51:18,870 --> 01:51:15,679
this famous dj

2767
01:51:20,470 --> 01:51:18,880
and uh he was either a musician or a

2768
01:51:21,830 --> 01:51:20,480
rock star or something on top of it so

2769
01:51:23,430 --> 01:51:21,840
he's really popular

2770
01:51:25,589 --> 01:51:23,440
and a lot of people listen to the show

2771
01:51:28,709 --> 01:51:25,599
and a caller called in and said

2772
01:51:31,430 --> 01:51:28,719
you know i was there and and and i saw

2773
01:51:32,950 --> 01:51:31,440
uh a bean in the forest standing next to

2774
01:51:34,149 --> 01:51:32,960
uh and dressed in white standing next to

2775
01:51:37,350 --> 01:51:34,159
this and i said whoa

2776
01:51:38,390 --> 01:51:37,360
hey what hey find out that get that

2777
01:51:40,390 --> 01:51:38,400
person's contact

2778
01:51:41,510 --> 01:51:40,400
i didn't have time to follow up on that

2779
01:51:44,629 --> 01:51:41,520
but i

2780
01:51:47,750 --> 01:51:44,639
i can't speak anything more but

2781
01:51:50,229 --> 01:51:47,760
had that have been

2782
01:51:51,270 --> 01:51:50,239
a close encounter of the third kind in

2783
01:51:54,470 --> 01:51:51,280
other words if

2784
01:51:55,350 --> 01:51:54,480
if the witnesses had seen um beings

2785
01:51:57,990 --> 01:51:55,360
associated with that

2786
01:51:59,030 --> 01:51:58,000
landed ufo at just outside the the

2787
01:52:01,750 --> 01:51:59,040
playground

2788
01:52:03,589 --> 01:52:01,760
uh at in westall that case would be more

2789
01:52:05,669 --> 01:52:03,599
compelling than rua because there were

2790
01:52:08,709 --> 01:52:05,679
over 300

2791
01:52:10,870 --> 01:52:08,719
witnesses in broad daylight

2792
01:52:13,669 --> 01:52:10,880
it was like 10 o'clock in the morning 10

2793
01:52:16,550 --> 01:52:13,679
maybe 10 30 a.m during recess

2794
01:52:17,350 --> 01:52:16,560
and the entire school including the

2795
01:52:18,790 --> 01:52:17,360
teachers

2796
01:52:21,109 --> 01:52:18,800
were standing out there looking at this

2797
01:52:22,950 --> 01:52:21,119
ufo with some of the kids some of the

2798
01:52:25,510 --> 01:52:22,960
students said there was more than one

2799
01:52:28,390 --> 01:52:25,520
i spoke at length with the science

2800
01:52:31,510 --> 01:52:28,400
professor the science teacher

2801
01:52:34,070 --> 01:52:31,520
and he he felt that there was just one

2802
01:52:35,430 --> 01:52:34,080
but uh hearing his description of it and

2803
01:52:37,109 --> 01:52:35,440
there was a little cat mouse that went

2804
01:52:39,189 --> 01:52:37,119
on with some smaller lighter airplanes

2805
01:52:40,709 --> 01:52:39,199
there was an airport just nearby and

2806
01:52:43,510 --> 01:52:40,719
that this disc was defying

2807
01:52:44,310 --> 01:52:43,520
physics as everyone understood it and

2808
01:52:46,229 --> 01:52:44,320
then seeing it

2809
01:52:48,070 --> 01:52:46,239
land and then a handful of the kids jump

2810
01:52:49,669 --> 01:52:48,080
in the fence and against the will of the

2811
01:52:51,830 --> 01:52:49,679
of the teachers and running out to where

2812
01:52:54,709 --> 01:52:51,840
this landed and then getting within

2813
01:52:57,109 --> 01:52:54,719
10 to 12 feet from of a landed ufo in

2814
01:53:00,390 --> 01:52:57,119
broad daylight i mean that's just like

2815
01:53:02,070 --> 01:53:00,400
wow that's amazing and then you know i

2816
01:53:05,430 --> 01:53:02,080
get to meet this guy

2817
01:53:09,030 --> 01:53:05,440
whose name i'm afraid i can't reveal but

2818
01:53:11,350 --> 01:53:09,040
he had taken a photograph of an object

2819
01:53:12,070 --> 01:53:11,360
two days earlier just like 17 kilometers

2820
01:53:14,070 --> 01:53:12,080
away

2821
01:53:16,790 --> 01:53:14,080
remember a lot of times you have these

2822
01:53:18,390 --> 01:53:16,800
instances these ufo encounters

2823
01:53:20,870 --> 01:53:18,400
these objects are seen in and around the

2824
01:53:25,350 --> 01:53:20,880
area for several days

2825
01:53:27,109 --> 01:53:25,360
this ufo had the description of this guy

2826
01:53:28,950 --> 01:53:27,119
first time he'd gone on camera in 50

2827
01:53:29,990 --> 01:53:28,960
years

2828
01:53:32,149 --> 01:53:30,000
the description of the flight

2829
01:53:34,070 --> 01:53:32,159
characteristics in it dipping up

2830
01:53:36,070 --> 01:53:34,080
tips up on its side before it shoots off

2831
01:53:39,030 --> 01:53:36,080
at an absolutely

2832
01:53:39,830 --> 01:53:39,040
mind-boggling speed and he snapped his

2833
01:53:41,350 --> 01:53:39,840
he polaroids in the garden with his

2834
01:53:44,390 --> 01:53:41,360
polaroid camera

2835
01:53:47,910 --> 01:53:44,400
and his fire his um

2836
01:53:51,030 --> 01:53:47,920
um his chimney and uh

2837
01:53:53,109 --> 01:53:51,040
it was it it was it the sun

2838
01:53:55,030 --> 01:53:53,119
reflected off of the object that was

2839
01:53:56,629 --> 01:53:55,040
sort of descending down towards him

2840
01:53:58,629 --> 01:53:56,639
and caused the flash and that got his

2841
01:54:00,950 --> 01:53:58,639
attention and he looked up

2842
01:54:02,310 --> 01:54:00,960
and he saw his disc kind of floating

2843
01:54:04,390 --> 01:54:02,320
coming down

2844
01:54:06,550 --> 01:54:04,400
and he had his polaroid camera in his

2845
01:54:08,310 --> 01:54:06,560
garden he was documenting some of his

2846
01:54:09,189 --> 01:54:08,320
flowers and stuff for his mother he's

2847
01:54:10,950 --> 01:54:09,199
going to send these pictures these

2848
01:54:13,750 --> 01:54:10,960
polaroid pictures to his mother

2849
01:54:14,950 --> 01:54:13,760
and he said in his haste he took the

2850
01:54:17,109 --> 01:54:14,960
polaroid camera up

2851
01:54:18,470 --> 01:54:17,119
so fast that he hit himself so hard to

2852
01:54:21,109 --> 01:54:18,480
split his nose open

2853
01:54:23,030 --> 01:54:21,119
but his finger hit the hit the button

2854
01:54:25,030 --> 01:54:23,040
and boom he he got the craft

2855
01:54:26,070 --> 01:54:25,040
just as it tipped up on its side took

2856
01:54:28,470 --> 01:54:26,080
the photograph

2857
01:54:30,229 --> 01:54:28,480
and then it rocketed away and i said

2858
01:54:32,310 --> 01:54:30,239
describe the acceleration he said like

2859
01:54:35,669 --> 01:54:32,320
it being shot out of the barrel of a gun

2860
01:54:37,510 --> 01:54:35,679
just gone instantaneous

2861
01:54:39,109 --> 01:54:37,520
and uh it was exactly the same

2862
01:54:40,709 --> 01:54:39,119
description that

2863
01:54:43,109 --> 01:54:40,719
all of the students that i talked to in

2864
01:54:46,470 --> 01:54:43,119
west hall had described that this object

2865
01:54:49,030 --> 01:54:46,480
the the disc would flip up on its side

2866
01:54:50,470 --> 01:54:49,040
before it took off okay they all

2867
01:54:51,589 --> 01:54:50,480
describe the exact same thing and that's

2868
01:54:53,270 --> 01:54:51,599
exactly what he described

2869
01:54:55,030 --> 01:54:53,280
and then he cop captured a picture of it

2870
01:54:55,589 --> 01:54:55,040
dipped up outside right before it took

2871
01:54:58,070 --> 01:54:55,599
off

2872
01:54:58,870 --> 01:54:58,080
now great picture now as great as this

2873
01:55:01,109 --> 01:54:58,880
film is

2874
01:55:02,950 --> 01:55:01,119
james i got to hold that picture in my

2875
01:55:05,350 --> 01:55:02,960
hand that's right

2876
01:55:06,070 --> 01:55:05,360
well hold on that's my question you're

2877
01:55:08,310 --> 01:55:06,080
almost there

2878
01:55:09,350 --> 01:55:08,320
you're always a step ahead of me man uh

2879
01:55:11,510 --> 01:55:09,360
but is this

2880
01:55:12,870 --> 01:55:11,520
as as great as the film is and it's a

2881
01:55:15,669 --> 01:55:12,880
great film

2882
01:55:18,070 --> 01:55:15,679
is that moment on the park bench worth

2883
01:55:20,950 --> 01:55:18,080
the price of admission

2884
01:55:24,629 --> 01:55:20,960
are you kid look i remember because we

2885
01:55:28,870 --> 01:55:27,189
your audience eyes would glaze over if i

2886
01:55:32,070 --> 01:55:28,880
told them like what it took to get

2887
01:55:35,669 --> 01:55:32,080
this guy to that park bench it just

2888
01:55:36,629 --> 01:55:35,679
it was a monumental effort and it was to

2889
01:55:40,950 --> 01:55:36,639
share

2890
01:55:42,470 --> 01:55:40,960
photograph to let me hold that original

2891
01:55:46,310 --> 01:55:42,480
polaroid in my hands

2892
01:55:49,189 --> 01:55:46,320
and it was such one of those moments

2893
01:55:49,750 --> 01:55:49,199
that the two guys james rigney and and

2894
01:55:52,070 --> 01:55:49,760
and uh

2895
01:55:53,990 --> 01:55:52,080
shane ryan that were with me at the time

2896
01:55:54,709 --> 01:55:54,000
they were just as gobsmacked by it as i

2897
01:55:57,109 --> 01:55:54,719
was

2898
01:55:58,830 --> 01:55:57,119
and i actually remember looking over at

2899
01:56:02,470 --> 01:55:58,840
i think it was james rigney and just

2900
01:56:04,790 --> 01:56:02,480
going dude take a picture of this

2901
01:56:06,149 --> 01:56:04,800
right now like look at this you gotta

2902
01:56:07,430 --> 01:56:06,159
document this moment and he's like of

2903
01:56:07,910 --> 01:56:07,440
course you know he took his camera out

2904
01:56:10,550 --> 01:56:07,920
and he

2905
01:56:11,189 --> 01:56:10,560
actually snapped a few uh snapshots

2906
01:56:13,910 --> 01:56:11,199
because it was

2907
01:56:15,830 --> 01:56:13,920
it was one of those one of those moments

2908
01:56:18,390 --> 01:56:15,840
that don't occur very often

2909
01:56:19,350 --> 01:56:18,400
that you know but this is big yeah it

2910
01:56:22,310 --> 01:56:19,360
never happens

2911
01:56:23,830 --> 01:56:22,320
i i i remember uh i watched that scene

2912
01:56:26,390 --> 01:56:23,840
over and over again but the first time

2913
01:56:29,350 --> 01:56:26,400
that i saw it i was like

2914
01:56:30,790 --> 01:56:29,360
whoa that was a moment that was a moment

2915
01:56:34,070 --> 01:56:30,800
no doubt about it

2916
01:56:35,270 --> 01:56:34,080
yeah me too yeah there was a there was a

2917
01:56:38,229 --> 01:56:35,280
halo

2918
01:56:40,070 --> 01:56:38,239
around that photograph and time stopped

2919
01:56:41,750 --> 01:56:40,080
as he passed it to me i mean

2920
01:56:43,109 --> 01:56:41,760
all the thoughts went through my mind

2921
01:56:43,750 --> 01:56:43,119
and the fact that he'd been sitting on

2922
01:56:47,910 --> 01:56:43,760
that

2923
01:56:53,270 --> 01:56:50,950
how difficult it was to get him to come

2924
01:56:56,149 --> 01:56:53,280
on camera for the first time in history

2925
01:56:57,669 --> 01:56:56,159
and talk about it i could write a book

2926
01:56:59,270 --> 01:56:57,679
on it i mean

2927
01:57:00,790 --> 01:56:59,280
shane ryan and james rigney were there

2928
01:57:02,950 --> 01:57:00,800
they could they could tell you i mean it

2929
01:57:05,910 --> 01:57:02,960
was an absolutely

2930
01:57:07,750 --> 01:57:05,920
heroic effort and it worked and it and

2931
01:57:11,430 --> 01:57:07,760
it happened and it was just

2932
01:57:13,350 --> 01:57:11,440
a miracle now uh real quick before uh we

2933
01:57:16,470 --> 01:57:13,360
hit the break i've got about two minutes

2934
01:57:19,350 --> 01:57:16,480
enough uh for you to respond uh one of

2935
01:57:22,950 --> 01:57:19,360
the standout things in westall

2936
01:57:25,350 --> 01:57:22,960
um that i think everybody recognizes

2937
01:57:27,510 --> 01:57:25,360
is that this was documented you've got

2938
01:57:29,270 --> 01:57:27,520
the the local media the local news

2939
01:57:31,350 --> 01:57:29,280
everybody's coming out they're going out

2940
01:57:35,350 --> 01:57:31,360
to the school this is like a big big

2941
01:57:38,709 --> 01:57:35,360
big deal and the freaking

2942
01:57:42,229 --> 01:57:38,719
footage shot by the local news

2943
01:57:46,229 --> 01:57:42,239
station television is missing

2944
01:57:49,910 --> 01:57:46,239
now is is that just a come on you know

2945
01:57:51,910 --> 01:57:49,920
what's going on here but they've got

2946
01:57:54,629 --> 01:57:51,920
all the other footage in history is

2947
01:57:56,229 --> 01:57:54,639
there except for westall

2948
01:57:58,629 --> 01:57:56,239
you know i think that was channel 10 and

2949
01:58:01,109 --> 01:57:58,639
i actually went on that show

2950
01:58:02,629 --> 01:58:01,119
in australia you could find it online

2951
01:58:05,830 --> 01:58:02,639
james fox australia

2952
01:58:08,470 --> 01:58:05,840
and when i was there i think i talked to

2953
01:58:09,910 --> 01:58:08,480
one of the station program managers

2954
01:58:11,430 --> 01:58:09,920
uh this woman i'm struggling for her

2955
01:58:13,350 --> 01:58:11,440
name but in any case she had told me

2956
01:58:17,030 --> 01:58:13,360
that they tried to track that down

2957
01:58:20,229 --> 01:58:17,040
and that the box for that footage

2958
01:58:23,350 --> 01:58:20,239
was there but the content was empty

2959
01:58:25,350 --> 01:58:23,360
and look every single

2960
01:58:28,070 --> 01:58:25,360
student that i talked to now adults

2961
01:58:30,390 --> 01:58:28,080
obviously including the teacher

2962
01:58:32,310 --> 01:58:30,400
said that the military stepped in and

2963
01:58:36,070 --> 01:58:32,320
shut it down

2964
01:58:37,350 --> 01:58:36,080
and not only that one of the reasons why

2965
01:58:39,669 --> 01:58:37,360
you know and the guy that took the

2966
01:58:40,390 --> 01:58:39,679
photograph of it he had military come to

2967
01:58:41,750 --> 01:58:40,400
his house

2968
01:58:44,470 --> 01:58:41,760
he was from a very prominent family he

2969
01:58:46,149 --> 01:58:44,480
was an engineer and he said if i wasn't

2970
01:58:47,510 --> 01:58:46,159
i would have been steamrolled if my

2971
01:58:48,229 --> 01:58:47,520
father wasn't a very prominent figure

2972
01:58:49,830 --> 01:58:48,239
and we were

2973
01:58:52,550 --> 01:58:49,840
a prominent figure in the in the

2974
01:58:55,510 --> 01:58:52,560
community but

2975
01:58:57,350 --> 01:58:55,520
the the teacher revealed why it was that

2976
01:58:59,270 --> 01:58:57,360
he didn't come forward for 50 years and

2977
01:59:01,430 --> 01:58:59,280
what it took to get him to go on camera

2978
01:59:02,310 --> 01:59:01,440
i could write a book on that one too

2979
01:59:04,070 --> 01:59:02,320
james rigney

2980
01:59:05,990 --> 01:59:04,080
and shane ryan were there for that one

2981
01:59:09,109 --> 01:59:06,000
as well that was an absolute miracle

2982
01:59:10,790 --> 01:59:09,119
but he had military guys show up at his

2983
01:59:12,790 --> 01:59:10,800
house like a day or two later

2984
01:59:14,629 --> 01:59:12,800
and they straight up intimidated him

2985
01:59:16,550 --> 01:59:14,639
your career is over

2986
01:59:18,070 --> 01:59:16,560
for x xyz he talks about it in the film

2987
01:59:21,430 --> 01:59:18,080
now didn't he

2988
01:59:26,070 --> 01:59:21,440
he he was he had a camera

2989
01:59:29,109 --> 01:59:26,080
right didn't i i had heard i had heard

2990
01:59:31,189 --> 01:59:29,119
that one of the school teachers had a

2991
01:59:32,709 --> 01:59:31,199
camera out there taking pictures

2992
01:59:34,390 --> 01:59:32,719
and i heard that from a number of the

2993
01:59:36,229 --> 01:59:34,400
witnesses that i interviewed

2994
01:59:37,589 --> 01:59:36,239
but nobody quite seemed to know what

2995
01:59:38,149 --> 01:59:37,599
happened to the camera what happened the

2996
01:59:40,149 --> 01:59:38,159
footage

2997
01:59:43,189 --> 01:59:40,159
so i don't know you'd have to talk to

2998
01:59:46,390 --> 01:59:44,950
it wasn't the science teacher with the

2999
01:59:48,149 --> 01:59:46,400
camera

3000
01:59:49,430 --> 01:59:48,159
no it was the woman teacher oh that's

3001
01:59:51,030 --> 01:59:49,440
right her name but i

3002
01:59:53,189 --> 01:59:51,040
yeah that's what i heard but i

3003
01:59:54,709 --> 01:59:53,199
definitely heard several students

3004
01:59:56,870 --> 01:59:54,719
remembering that there was a camera

3005
01:59:58,229 --> 01:59:56,880
there was a teacher the female

3006
02:00:00,229 --> 01:59:58,239
with the camera it might have been from

3007
02:00:02,229 --> 02:00:00,239
the art department i'm not entirely sure

3008
02:00:03,430 --> 02:00:02,239
that was taking pictures yes but i don't

3009
02:00:05,189 --> 02:00:03,440
know they didn't know what happened to

3010
02:00:05,750 --> 02:00:05,199
the camera but look the military showed

3011
02:00:07,750 --> 02:00:05,760
up

3012
02:00:09,189 --> 02:00:07,760
very shortly thereafter they cordoned

3013
02:00:11,830 --> 02:00:09,199
off the landing site

3014
02:00:13,990 --> 02:00:11,840
they intimidated the witnesses you know

3015
02:00:15,109 --> 02:00:14,000
even the principal i mean they shut that

3016
02:00:17,030 --> 02:00:15,119
thing down

3017
02:00:18,470 --> 02:00:17,040
they came and stopped all the i think

3018
02:00:20,550 --> 02:00:18,480
was channel 10 that was

3019
02:00:22,470 --> 02:00:20,560
doing interviews at the school at the

3020
02:00:25,910 --> 02:00:22,480
time shut it all down

3021
02:00:26,470 --> 02:00:25,920
now uh uh real quick i've got 15 seconds

3022
02:00:29,510 --> 02:00:26,480
and there

3023
02:00:31,990 --> 02:00:29,520
is some controversy if it was the

3024
02:00:33,430 --> 02:00:32,000
australian military or if it was the

3025
02:00:35,030 --> 02:00:33,440
united states air force because the

3026
02:00:37,589 --> 02:00:35,040
united states air force had a presence

3027
02:00:40,470 --> 02:00:37,599
there too as well

3028
02:00:42,229 --> 02:00:40,480
you know we interviewed the uh the the

3029
02:00:43,830 --> 02:00:42,239
science professor for the first time in

3030
02:00:45,270 --> 02:00:43,840
50 years on camera

3031
02:00:47,669 --> 02:00:45,280
he didn't want his face but we

3032
02:00:50,229 --> 02:00:47,679
interviewed him from behind and uh he

3033
02:00:51,189 --> 02:00:50,239
he did didn't give us the impression

3034
02:00:55,270 --> 02:00:51,199
that

3035
02:00:56,629 --> 02:00:55,280
i he didn't

3036
02:00:58,629 --> 02:00:56,639
i don't remember him saying it was

3037
02:00:59,830 --> 02:00:58,639
definitely u.s i remember he'd just say

3038
02:01:01,270 --> 02:00:59,840
military and

3039
02:01:03,030 --> 02:01:01,280
i think if it was u.s he would have said

3040
02:01:04,790 --> 02:01:03,040
it i don't know it doesn't mean the u.s

3041
02:01:07,589 --> 02:01:04,800
didn't get involved at some point

3042
02:01:09,109 --> 02:01:07,599
but uh but he he had visitors a couple

3043
02:01:09,830 --> 02:01:09,119
people show up in suits and one of them

3044
02:01:12,950 --> 02:01:09,840
was in

3045
02:01:14,950 --> 02:01:12,960
military with some stripes on his arm

3046
02:01:17,109 --> 02:01:14,960
and uh and they were not there to

3047
02:01:20,070 --> 02:01:17,119
jazzercize with him

3048
02:01:21,030 --> 02:01:20,080
they were not our guest tonight is james

3049
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[Music]

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alliance

3173
02:06:52,149 --> 02:06:49,750
welcome back fade to black i'm your host

3174
02:06:54,470 --> 02:06:52,159
jimmy church what a great night

3175
02:06:55,910 --> 02:06:54,480
tonight james fox is here back with us

3176
02:06:57,270 --> 02:06:55,920
we're talking about his new film the

3177
02:07:00,470 --> 02:06:57,280
phenomenon

3178
02:07:03,109 --> 02:07:00,480
and no spoilers i don't know how

3179
02:07:04,790 --> 02:07:03,119
uh we pulled that off um but before we

3180
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get back to the film james

3181
02:07:10,830 --> 02:07:08,239
i've got covid hair

3182
02:07:12,790 --> 02:07:10,840
how's your hair doing when's the last

3183
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haircut

3184
02:07:17,350 --> 02:07:14,960
well it's funny actually uh my partner

3185
02:07:19,750 --> 02:07:17,360
rebecca she's like honey you know

3186
02:07:20,950 --> 02:07:19,760
you should let me put your hair a little

3187
02:07:22,550 --> 02:07:20,960
bit like

3188
02:07:24,709 --> 02:07:22,560
what do you mean she's like well you

3189
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know the cop is

3190
02:07:27,830 --> 02:07:27,520
so i've had uh i see my first haircut

3191
02:07:33,350 --> 02:07:27,840
was

3192
02:07:35,030 --> 02:07:33,360
we brought out a bottle of wine we made

3193
02:07:37,430 --> 02:07:35,040
a whole thing of it

3194
02:07:38,709 --> 02:07:37,440
and just you know chop chop chop chop

3195
02:07:40,069 --> 02:07:38,719
for like two hours

3196
02:07:41,990 --> 02:07:40,079
like a little more to the right a little

3197
02:07:44,550 --> 02:07:42,000
more to the left and finally you know

3198
02:07:45,270 --> 02:07:44,560
and so my hair yeah i i would say

3199
02:07:47,830 --> 02:07:45,280
covered hair

3200
02:07:49,589 --> 02:07:47,840
yeah yeah there you go a bottle of wine

3201
02:07:51,830 --> 02:07:49,599
and a first time haircut

3202
02:07:54,310 --> 02:07:51,840
that's that's that's not a good

3203
02:07:56,950 --> 02:07:54,320
combination but

3204
02:07:57,669 --> 02:07:56,960
it was fun we had a great it was it was

3205
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memorable

3206
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you know what you know what i really

3207
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enjoy today before we get back to the

3208
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film

3209
02:08:08,229 --> 02:08:05,119
i like going to the market uh

3210
02:08:09,990 --> 02:08:08,239
wearing you know flannels uh you don't

3211
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care about your hair

3212
02:08:14,550 --> 02:08:12,800
um you might put on deodorant you know

3213
02:08:16,310 --> 02:08:14,560
that's like a big step

3214
02:08:18,390 --> 02:08:16,320
but you go to the supermarket nobody

3215
02:08:21,669 --> 02:08:18,400
gives a crap anymore about the way they

3216
02:08:23,510 --> 02:08:21,679
look it's just really funny everybody

3217
02:08:27,510 --> 02:08:23,520
knows we're in this boat together

3218
02:08:30,069 --> 02:08:27,520
and it's oh that i really enjoy it

3219
02:08:31,350 --> 02:08:30,079
that is that is really funny you know i

3220
02:08:42,950 --> 02:08:31,360
i

3221
02:08:44,870 --> 02:08:42,960
lane

3222
02:08:46,709 --> 02:08:44,880
and you know people yeah these people

3223
02:08:48,629 --> 02:08:46,719
don't really

3224
02:08:50,550 --> 02:08:48,639
i think they stopped giving a bleep you

3225
02:08:53,830 --> 02:08:50,560
know i wasn't

3226
02:08:54,870 --> 02:08:53,840
expecting i was at the market uh uh two

3227
02:08:57,669 --> 02:08:54,880
nights ago

3228
02:08:58,310 --> 02:08:57,679
and there was a mom there and i'm not

3229
02:09:01,350 --> 02:08:58,320
making

3230
02:09:05,109 --> 02:09:01,360
any of this up house coat

3231
02:09:08,470 --> 02:09:05,119
fuzzy slippers and her two kids right

3232
02:09:10,709 --> 02:09:08,480
i was like god bless you

3233
02:09:12,950 --> 02:09:10,719
she just didn't give a crap she's like

3234
02:09:15,109 --> 02:09:12,960
okay get in the car

3235
02:09:16,390 --> 02:09:15,119
we're going just like we are grab your

3236
02:09:18,950 --> 02:09:16,400
face mask

3237
02:09:19,669 --> 02:09:18,960
and uh and uh i i want to say this to

3238
02:09:22,709 --> 02:09:19,679
everybody

3239
02:09:23,510 --> 02:09:22,719
um right now it is it's it's the

3240
02:09:26,709 --> 02:09:23,520
holidays

3241
02:09:30,149 --> 02:09:26,719
it's the season and out of

3242
02:09:33,270 --> 02:09:30,159
any time in in history this is the time

3243
02:09:36,550 --> 02:09:33,280
to go out of your way to give and

3244
02:09:38,550 --> 02:09:36,560
um i i came home the other night uh

3245
02:09:40,229 --> 02:09:38,560
and i i came up to rita and i said you

3246
02:09:43,270 --> 02:09:40,239
know something

3247
02:09:45,030 --> 02:09:43,280
i i i like to help people out i i just

3248
02:09:48,149 --> 02:09:45,040
do it's in my nature and i can't

3249
02:09:51,350 --> 02:09:48,159
i i can't help myself and i i get uh

3250
02:09:52,149 --> 02:09:51,360
my daughter said uh uh can you put gas

3251
02:09:55,189 --> 02:09:52,159
in my car

3252
02:09:57,030 --> 02:09:55,199
and uh and do some stuff before i go to

3253
02:10:00,310 --> 02:09:57,040
work tomorrow i said yeah absolutely

3254
02:10:01,750 --> 02:10:00,320
right so drive her car to the gas

3255
02:10:03,589 --> 02:10:01,760
station and i get out

3256
02:10:04,870 --> 02:10:03,599
james and the second i get out of the

3257
02:10:07,750 --> 02:10:04,880
car there's

3258
02:10:08,870 --> 02:10:07,760
there's a guy standing there and and he

3259
02:10:11,750 --> 02:10:08,880
goes

3260
02:10:12,069 --> 02:10:11,760
hey man i said i don't have any cash on

3261
02:10:15,990 --> 02:10:12,079
me

3262
02:10:20,470 --> 02:10:16,000
just felt like such an ass

3263
02:10:23,750 --> 02:10:20,480
and he goes i just want a sandwich

3264
02:10:25,990 --> 02:10:23,760
and i said i'm gonna hook you up right

3265
02:10:27,830 --> 02:10:26,000
so i go in you know and i get the gas

3266
02:10:28,149 --> 02:10:27,840
and stuff and i walk through i get this

3267
02:10:29,990 --> 02:10:28,159
guy

3268
02:10:32,069 --> 02:10:30,000
two sandwiches a bag of chips and a big

3269
02:10:35,589 --> 02:10:32,079
bottle of gatorade right

3270
02:10:39,270 --> 02:10:35,599
and uh and i get some cash uh uh

3271
02:10:41,189 --> 02:10:39,280
from uh the uh the the clerk there

3272
02:10:43,270 --> 02:10:41,199
and and i walked out and i walked up to

3273
02:10:45,189 --> 02:10:43,280
him and i said here

3274
02:10:47,669 --> 02:10:45,199
i said there you go man some sandwiches

3275
02:10:50,950 --> 02:10:47,679
some chips and a drink

3276
02:10:52,709 --> 02:10:50,960
do you need anything else and and

3277
02:10:53,990 --> 02:10:52,719
it was like the stupidest thing to come

3278
02:10:54,790 --> 02:10:54,000
out of my mouth this guy needs

3279
02:10:58,310 --> 02:10:54,800
everything

3280
02:10:59,990 --> 02:10:58,320
right and he looked at me and and

3281
02:11:01,669 --> 02:11:00,000
looked right in my eyes he said i need

3282
02:11:04,629 --> 02:11:01,679
lots of stuff man

3283
02:11:05,669 --> 02:11:04,639
i said well here's some cash and i just

3284
02:11:08,870 --> 02:11:05,679
want you to have a

3285
02:11:10,470 --> 02:11:08,880
wonderful wonderful uh how i i

3286
02:11:12,310 --> 02:11:10,480
if there's something else i could do i

3287
02:11:13,830 --> 02:11:12,320
would do it he said thank you so much i

3288
02:11:16,229 --> 02:11:13,840
went back and i'm pumping the gas

3289
02:11:18,390 --> 02:11:16,239
james and i looked over and there are

3290
02:11:19,430 --> 02:11:18,400
other people walking by him and nobody's

3291
02:11:21,750 --> 02:11:19,440
saying anything

3292
02:11:23,030 --> 02:11:21,760
and that dude had ate that first

3293
02:11:26,950 --> 02:11:23,040
sandwich

3294
02:11:29,030 --> 02:11:26,960
he was and i and i got in my car

3295
02:11:31,350 --> 02:11:29,040
and i had a lump in my throat and i'm

3296
02:11:32,149 --> 02:11:31,360
like man we have so much to be thankful

3297
02:11:35,270 --> 02:11:32,159
for

3298
02:11:36,069 --> 02:11:35,280
you know i've got covered i messed up my

3299
02:11:39,350 --> 02:11:36,079
life my

3300
02:11:41,830 --> 02:11:39,360
family things my kids you know our life

3301
02:11:43,510 --> 02:11:41,840
got turned upside down

3302
02:11:45,109 --> 02:11:43,520
nothing compared to what this guy is

3303
02:11:45,750 --> 02:11:45,119
dealing with you know standing out in

3304
02:11:49,270 --> 02:11:45,760
the cold

3305
02:11:54,149 --> 02:11:49,280
you know three days before christmas

3306
02:11:55,990 --> 02:11:54,159
i had about two months ago i pulled up

3307
02:11:57,430 --> 02:11:56,000
late at night to a gas station and there

3308
02:12:00,870 --> 02:11:57,440
was a family

3309
02:12:04,229 --> 02:12:00,880
with a old suv

3310
02:12:08,149 --> 02:12:04,239
and the guy and i was inside the the

3311
02:12:10,950 --> 02:12:08,159
store the mart getting um some

3312
02:12:11,830 --> 02:12:10,960
uh coconut water or something and i see

3313
02:12:13,430 --> 02:12:11,840
the guy

3314
02:12:15,669 --> 02:12:13,440
trying to pay another credit card and he

3315
02:12:17,270 --> 02:12:15,679
was uh i think he

3316
02:12:19,030 --> 02:12:17,280
put down like three dollars and 50 cents

3317
02:12:20,310 --> 02:12:19,040
as much gas as he could get and he

3318
02:12:22,550 --> 02:12:20,320
walked back out

3319
02:12:23,589 --> 02:12:22,560
and i said to the clerk um i want to

3320
02:12:26,310 --> 02:12:23,599
fill this guy's tank

3321
02:12:28,470 --> 02:12:26,320
fill it up and uh yeah fill it up so i

3322
02:12:29,350 --> 02:12:28,480
i've so been there before i know exactly

3323
02:12:30,950 --> 02:12:29,360
what it's like when you can't even

3324
02:12:32,629 --> 02:12:30,960
afford a gallon of gasoline like

3325
02:12:34,149 --> 02:12:32,639
putting quarters and a couple dollars on

3326
02:12:36,390 --> 02:12:34,159
the table and

3327
02:12:37,910 --> 02:12:36,400
um so i said i'd like to fill that

3328
02:12:40,629 --> 02:12:37,920
gentleman's tank please you know and

3329
02:12:41,270 --> 02:12:40,639
and it was like oh okay you know just

3330
02:12:42,950 --> 02:12:41,280
put

3331
02:12:44,870 --> 02:12:42,960
50 bucks on it whatever's left

3332
02:12:45,910 --> 02:12:44,880
whatever's left over just have them keep

3333
02:12:48,870 --> 02:12:45,920
you know and

3334
02:12:50,229 --> 02:12:48,880
and uh and then i went out and i i i

3335
02:12:51,669 --> 02:12:50,239
walked to my car and i said hey the

3336
02:12:53,189 --> 02:12:51,679
woman's got something for you there you

3337
02:12:55,030 --> 02:12:53,199
need to go talk to her

3338
02:12:56,629 --> 02:12:55,040
and then i left and i just think you

3339
02:12:58,390 --> 02:12:56,639
know it was such a nice feeling that i

3340
02:12:59,350 --> 02:12:58,400
was in a position that i could do that

3341
02:13:02,550 --> 02:12:59,360
you know and

3342
02:13:04,550 --> 02:13:02,560
what a privilege it was for me and and

3343
02:13:06,149 --> 02:13:04,560
just if i could make you know one

3344
02:13:08,229 --> 02:13:06,159
person's life a little

3345
02:13:10,069 --> 02:13:08,239
a little better knowing that someone out

3346
02:13:12,149 --> 02:13:10,079
there actually a stranger cares

3347
02:13:13,189 --> 02:13:12,159
it's a wonderful thing to do and if you

3348
02:13:15,270 --> 02:13:13,199
can

3349
02:13:16,550 --> 02:13:15,280
um it's just a wonderful wonderful thing

3350
02:13:19,990 --> 02:13:16,560
to do and every

3351
02:13:20,790 --> 02:13:20,000
little thing counts um and treat each

3352
02:13:24,950 --> 02:13:20,800
other

3353
02:13:26,310 --> 02:13:24,960
with kindness and respect i i i

3354
02:13:28,229 --> 02:13:26,320
you know i think that's what it's all

3355
02:13:31,270 --> 02:13:28,239
about right

3356
02:13:34,229 --> 02:13:31,280
right now this is you know

3357
02:13:35,030 --> 02:13:34,239
and and no matter what james no matter

3358
02:13:38,229 --> 02:13:35,040
what

3359
02:13:40,069 --> 02:13:38,239
how how messed up your life is right no

3360
02:13:41,270 --> 02:13:40,079
matter how and it's probably pretty

3361
02:13:43,589 --> 02:13:41,280
messed up

3362
02:13:44,870 --> 02:13:43,599
there's somebody else out there that's

3363
02:13:51,109 --> 02:13:44,880
really

3364
02:13:52,950 --> 02:13:51,119
matter what level you're at it just

3365
02:13:54,069 --> 02:13:52,960
doesn't matter there is somebody else

3366
02:13:56,870 --> 02:13:54,079
out there

3367
02:13:57,510 --> 02:13:56,880
and that just just needs you to say

3368
02:14:00,310 --> 02:13:57,520
hello

3369
02:14:01,189 --> 02:14:00,320
and recognize them and and just reach

3370
02:14:05,030 --> 02:14:01,199
out that's all

3371
02:14:07,510 --> 02:14:05,040
it's those little things and i remember

3372
02:14:08,069 --> 02:14:07,520
yeah i did a film i did a short little

3373
02:14:10,629 --> 02:14:08,079
film on

3374
02:14:11,750 --> 02:14:10,639
on homelessness when i when i was in my

3375
02:14:14,470 --> 02:14:11,760
early 20s

3376
02:14:15,350 --> 02:14:14,480
and i went and lived with doc followed

3377
02:14:17,589 --> 02:14:15,360
around

3378
02:14:19,109 --> 02:14:17,599
people in different cities when i would

3379
02:14:19,830 --> 02:14:19,119
travel with my father i would take my

3380
02:14:21,270 --> 02:14:19,840
camera out

3381
02:14:23,109 --> 02:14:21,280
on his expense he'd be working for

3382
02:14:23,910 --> 02:14:23,119
different magazines and i would take my

3383
02:14:26,229 --> 02:14:23,920
little

3384
02:14:27,430 --> 02:14:26,239
pocket camcorder out and i would go and

3385
02:14:29,030 --> 02:14:27,440
follow around

3386
02:14:30,629 --> 02:14:29,040
some of these people living in the

3387
02:14:31,350 --> 02:14:30,639
streets and i met this woman pearl anne

3388
02:14:32,790 --> 02:14:31,360
ryan

3389
02:14:35,189 --> 02:14:32,800
i'll never forget her and she had this

3390
02:14:36,149 --> 02:14:35,199
box in new york city alphabet city i

3391
02:14:37,430 --> 02:14:36,159
think it was

3392
02:14:39,430 --> 02:14:37,440
and they had a little candle on the

3393
02:14:42,629 --> 02:14:39,440
inside and that kept her warm and

3394
02:14:45,270 --> 02:14:42,639
she said to me she said james

3395
02:14:46,950 --> 02:14:45,280
the worse off you are the worse off

3396
02:14:49,750 --> 02:14:46,960
people look at you in other words

3397
02:14:51,990 --> 02:14:49,760
the more you need help a helping hand

3398
02:14:54,950 --> 02:14:52,000
the less likely you are to get it

3399
02:14:56,950 --> 02:14:54,960
and that always stuck with me it was a

3400
02:14:58,229 --> 02:14:56,960
she left i think about pearl and ryan

3401
02:15:01,270 --> 02:14:58,239
all the time

3402
02:15:04,390 --> 02:15:01,280
it's uh it's amazing it's amazing how

3403
02:15:08,069 --> 02:15:04,400
uh so many people

3404
02:15:11,510 --> 02:15:08,079
in in those positions become invisible

3405
02:15:13,109 --> 02:15:11,520
right just invisible right and it it

3406
02:15:16,629 --> 02:15:13,119
kills me when i see

3407
02:15:19,030 --> 02:15:16,639
you know people just walk by them um

3408
02:15:21,430 --> 02:15:19,040
and and and not reckon man that's first

3409
02:15:24,709 --> 02:15:21,440
thing out of my mind how you doing

3410
02:15:27,830 --> 02:15:24,719
how how are you doing and it's it's

3411
02:15:29,750 --> 02:15:27,840
so to see them so surprised

3412
02:15:31,910 --> 02:15:29,760
because nobody said hello to them in

3413
02:15:33,990 --> 02:15:31,920
probably days

3414
02:15:35,030 --> 02:15:34,000
you know it's it's it's just not right

3415
02:15:37,990 --> 02:15:35,040
and so yeah this

3416
02:15:39,990 --> 02:15:38,000
is this is it this is the time to just

3417
02:15:43,589 --> 02:15:40,000
just reach out just go and do it

3418
02:15:47,510 --> 02:15:43,599
all right now i want to reach out to you

3419
02:15:51,109 --> 02:15:47,520
the the tone is set for the film

3420
02:15:53,510 --> 02:15:51,119
james from the word go

3421
02:15:56,310 --> 02:15:53,520
you don't you don't mess around the film

3422
02:16:00,629 --> 02:15:56,320
doesn't take 30 minutes to ease in

3423
02:16:03,350 --> 02:16:00,639
you you you come out uh blazing

3424
02:16:05,030 --> 02:16:03,360
with uh the opening sequence of course

3425
02:16:05,589 --> 02:16:05,040
and i'm talking about the world war ii

3426
02:16:08,149 --> 02:16:05,599
bomber

3427
02:16:08,790 --> 02:16:08,159
uh that that you're flying around in

3428
02:16:11,669 --> 02:16:08,800
which is

3429
02:16:12,550 --> 02:16:11,679
cool enough right that that's cool high

3430
02:16:15,990 --> 02:16:12,560
def

3431
02:16:17,990 --> 02:16:16,000
right the drama i wanted to do

3432
02:16:19,510 --> 02:16:18,000
i wanted to do a cold open like james

3433
02:16:23,030 --> 02:16:19,520
bond

3434
02:16:24,709 --> 02:16:23,040
or i was i was thinking more like um uh

3435
02:16:26,870 --> 02:16:24,719
i was thinking more like uh peter

3436
02:16:30,229 --> 02:16:26,880
sellers um

3437
02:16:32,389 --> 02:16:30,239
uh stanley kubrick

3438
02:16:33,349 --> 02:16:32,399
i know those really cool like doctors

3439
02:16:35,589 --> 02:16:33,359
action scenes

3440
02:16:37,190 --> 02:16:35,599
yes it's a car chase or you know

3441
02:16:40,469 --> 02:16:37,200
dramatic airplane chase

3442
02:16:44,070 --> 02:16:40,479
or you know i just i thought gosh

3443
02:16:45,349 --> 02:16:44,080
how fun would it be to start off with a

3444
02:16:49,110 --> 02:16:45,359
really

3445
02:16:52,230 --> 02:16:49,120
you know dramatic uh encounter

3446
02:16:53,030 --> 02:16:52,240
with the real plane i mean that was i've

3447
02:16:55,509 --> 02:16:53,040
never

3448
02:16:57,990 --> 02:16:55,519
ever had a budget i mean you know to be

3449
02:17:00,150 --> 02:16:58,000
able to rent a b25 bomber

3450
02:17:02,070 --> 02:17:00,160
and do a recreation now or one of the

3451
02:17:02,950 --> 02:17:02,080
most dramatic ufo encounters i mean

3452
02:17:04,549 --> 02:17:02,960
that's that

3453
02:17:06,870 --> 02:17:04,559
see that's my point and i've got to

3454
02:17:08,150 --> 02:17:06,880
interrupt you i'm going to be rude

3455
02:17:09,990 --> 02:17:08,160
because i'm going to let you tell the

3456
02:17:14,309 --> 02:17:10,000
story but

3457
02:17:17,589 --> 02:17:14,319
it's the drama of of this b25

3458
02:17:19,870 --> 02:17:17,599
and then it's tied into

3459
02:17:21,270 --> 02:17:19,880
this pilot with one of the most

3460
02:17:24,549 --> 02:17:21,280
extraordinary

3461
02:17:25,429 --> 02:17:24,559
ufo sightings and encounters maybe in

3462
02:17:29,349 --> 02:17:25,439
history

3463
02:17:32,629 --> 02:17:29,359
that nobody nobody has heard this uh

3464
02:17:35,910 --> 02:17:32,639
case before take us through that

3465
02:17:39,270 --> 02:17:35,920
what makes it so incredible

3466
02:17:43,190 --> 02:17:39,280
is that who the person was

3467
02:17:44,549 --> 02:17:43,200
was colonel william coleman he was a

3468
02:17:47,750 --> 02:17:44,559
colonel in the air force he was a world

3469
02:17:51,190 --> 02:17:47,760
war ii pilot he had this incredibly

3470
02:17:54,309 --> 02:17:51,200
dramatic ufo encounter in 1955

3471
02:17:57,349 --> 02:17:54,319
while piloting a b25 bomber over alabama

3472
02:17:59,990 --> 02:17:57,359
and he was uh carrying this airplane

3473
02:18:01,750 --> 02:18:00,000
i think to a a place in i want to say

3474
02:18:02,389 --> 02:18:01,760
either florida or he started in florida

3475
02:18:04,469 --> 02:18:02,399
ended up

3476
02:18:05,429 --> 02:18:04,479
but in any case he was with a couple of

3477
02:18:08,230 --> 02:18:05,439
engineers from

3478
02:18:09,110 --> 02:18:08,240
boeing and lockheed in the plane with

3479
02:18:12,389 --> 02:18:09,120
him

3480
02:18:14,230 --> 02:18:12,399
and they the duration of the encounter

3481
02:18:16,150 --> 02:18:14,240
was roughly nine minutes

3482
02:18:17,830 --> 02:18:16,160
it starts at about nine thousand foot

3483
02:18:19,830 --> 02:18:17,840
elevation when they see this

3484
02:18:22,629 --> 02:18:19,840
thing that they're unable to recognize

3485
02:18:25,509 --> 02:18:22,639
it crosses across their flight path

3486
02:18:26,629 --> 02:18:25,519
and they're all looking at this object

3487
02:18:30,790 --> 02:18:26,639
it's a disc

3488
02:18:33,990 --> 02:18:30,800
it has no wings no tail

3489
02:18:35,349 --> 02:18:34,000
no exhaust ports of any sort they're all

3490
02:18:38,309 --> 02:18:35,359
scratching their heads going

3491
02:18:39,669 --> 02:18:38,319
what the hell is this so they they

3492
02:18:42,629 --> 02:18:39,679
pursue it

3493
02:18:44,309 --> 02:18:42,639
and he even says to me uh colonel

3494
02:18:46,709 --> 02:18:44,319
coleman who says yeah

3495
02:18:47,669 --> 02:18:46,719
i was traveling at maximum continuous

3496
02:18:49,830 --> 02:18:47,679
power and i said

3497
02:18:52,070 --> 02:18:49,840
what does that mean because basically if

3498
02:18:54,070 --> 02:18:52,080
i go any faster i'll blow the engines up

3499
02:18:56,389 --> 02:18:54,080
and if we retreat started off at 9 000

3500
02:18:58,389 --> 02:18:56,399
feet ended up at treetop level

3501
02:18:59,990 --> 02:18:58,399
and they got so close to colliding with

3502
02:19:01,190 --> 02:19:00,000
this object this disc

3503
02:19:02,950 --> 02:19:01,200
they were looking at i mean that's like

3504
02:19:03,270 --> 02:19:02,960
if they thought we were going to hit it

3505
02:19:05,429 --> 02:19:03,280
that

3506
02:19:06,709 --> 02:19:05,439
they had to take a base of action and he

3507
02:19:08,469 --> 02:19:06,719
said if i would have just turned the

3508
02:19:09,509 --> 02:19:08,479
plane to the right to avoid hitting this

3509
02:19:11,429 --> 02:19:09,519
disc

3510
02:19:12,870 --> 02:19:11,439
we our wing we were so low our wing

3511
02:19:15,030 --> 02:19:12,880
would have clipped the trees

3512
02:19:16,070 --> 02:19:15,040
so i had to lift up which we momentarily

3513
02:19:18,309 --> 02:19:16,080
lost sight of it

3514
02:19:19,990 --> 02:19:18,319
and then turn the plane back hard to the

3515
02:19:20,469 --> 02:19:20,000
right to avoid colliding but they

3516
02:19:23,750 --> 02:19:20,479
thought

3517
02:19:26,309 --> 02:19:23,760
colliding with his disc and a beat later

3518
02:19:27,589 --> 02:19:26,319
there it was going across this recently

3519
02:19:29,429 --> 02:19:27,599
plowed field

3520
02:19:31,750 --> 02:19:29,439
and it was it was so low to the ground

3521
02:19:34,790 --> 02:19:31,760
it was causing swirls of dirt

3522
02:19:37,990 --> 02:19:34,800
on either end of the disc little

3523
02:19:39,349 --> 02:19:38,000
little swirls like on others we do a

3524
02:19:41,830 --> 02:19:39,359
recreation in there

3525
02:19:44,230 --> 02:19:41,840
and they were all just absolutely

3526
02:19:47,589 --> 02:19:44,240
baffled as to what they were looking at

3527
02:19:49,030 --> 02:19:47,599
and um they land the airplane

3528
02:19:50,790 --> 02:19:49,040
they lost sight of it they landed the

3529
02:19:52,389 --> 02:19:50,800
airplane

3530
02:19:53,990 --> 02:19:52,399
they were all you know project blue book

3531
02:19:55,270 --> 02:19:54,000
was in full swing at the time it was

3532
02:19:56,630 --> 02:19:55,280
1955

3533
02:19:58,950 --> 02:19:56,640
and they were all degree they were all

3534
02:20:01,270 --> 02:19:58,960
separated and they all gave

3535
02:20:02,710 --> 02:20:01,280
you know detailed accounts of reports of

3536
02:20:05,750 --> 02:20:02,720
what they'd seen

3537
02:20:07,750 --> 02:20:05,760
and even the the the uh the

3538
02:20:09,110 --> 02:20:07,760
officer that that invested that

3539
02:20:11,830 --> 02:20:09,120
investigated this case said

3540
02:20:13,429 --> 02:20:11,840
wow it was incredible because you guys

3541
02:20:15,510 --> 02:20:13,439
description was just exact like

3542
02:20:17,270 --> 02:20:15,520
everybody saw exactly the same thing

3543
02:20:18,790 --> 02:20:17,280
remarkable and they were trained

3544
02:20:22,150 --> 02:20:18,800
observers as well

3545
02:20:23,510 --> 02:20:22,160
well fast forward a little over a decade

3546
02:20:25,030 --> 02:20:23,520
later

3547
02:20:26,630 --> 02:20:25,040
colonel william coleman was put in

3548
02:20:28,230 --> 02:20:26,640
charge of project blue book he was like

3549
02:20:28,790 --> 02:20:28,240
public spokesman for project blue book

3550
02:20:30,389 --> 02:20:28,800
which was

3551
02:20:32,469 --> 02:20:30,399
the air the investigatory arm for the

3552
02:20:33,830 --> 02:20:32,479
air force in the ufos and he even said

3553
02:20:35,110 --> 02:20:33,840
whoa hold on a second

3554
02:20:36,790 --> 02:20:35,120
you might not want to put me in this

3555
02:20:38,870 --> 02:20:36,800
position they're like what's the problem

3556
02:20:40,710 --> 02:20:38,880
because well i had this encounter

3557
02:20:42,389 --> 02:20:40,720
and they said well okay what did you

3558
02:20:43,510 --> 02:20:42,399
determine he's like well i don't know

3559
02:20:46,070 --> 02:20:43,520
what it was i

3560
02:20:47,750 --> 02:20:46,080
saw it you'll be perfect so the first

3561
02:20:48,389 --> 02:20:47,760
thing he goes to do when he gets put in

3562
02:20:50,630 --> 02:20:48,399
charge of

3563
02:20:51,510 --> 02:20:50,640
project blue book is he goes to find his

3564
02:20:54,870 --> 02:20:51,520
report

3565
02:20:57,110 --> 02:20:54,880
well guess what not there

3566
02:20:59,110 --> 02:20:57,120
not in part of the files because if you

3567
02:21:02,230 --> 02:20:59,120
think about it

3568
02:21:04,710 --> 02:21:02,240
the more compelling the more unambiguous

3569
02:21:06,230 --> 02:21:04,720
the better qualified the observer the

3570
02:21:07,349 --> 02:21:06,240
less likely it was ever going to see the

3571
02:21:09,190 --> 02:21:07,359
light of day

3572
02:21:11,590 --> 02:21:09,200
you know you you can't just explain that

3573
02:21:12,389 --> 02:21:11,600
away as swamp gas or misidentified

3574
02:21:14,070 --> 02:21:12,399
aircraft

3575
02:21:15,990 --> 02:21:14,080
or weather balloons or you know what i

3576
02:21:17,830 --> 02:21:16,000
mean and so

3577
02:21:19,349 --> 02:21:17,840
that was a it's a really compelling case

3578
02:21:21,750 --> 02:21:19,359
and i don't know

3579
02:21:23,510 --> 02:21:21,760
other than maybe audio only i don't

3580
02:21:25,030 --> 02:21:23,520
think anyone had ever sat him down

3581
02:21:27,110 --> 02:21:25,040
60-minute style and done a proper

3582
02:21:27,910 --> 02:21:27,120
interview and and we did that and i

3583
02:21:30,630 --> 02:21:27,920
remember

3584
02:21:31,270 --> 02:21:30,640
at the time we were very early stages of

3585
02:21:34,550 --> 02:21:31,280
the production

3586
02:21:38,150 --> 02:21:34,560
i think it was like 2013. and

3587
02:21:41,670 --> 02:21:38,160
i looked at my my buddy david west who's

3588
02:21:42,710 --> 02:21:41,680
also the the uh the dp and i said this

3589
02:21:43,270 --> 02:21:42,720
is going to be an opening scene in the

3590
02:21:45,110 --> 02:21:43,280
movie

3591
02:21:47,349 --> 02:21:45,120
and he was like oh my god yeah this is

3592
02:21:49,030 --> 02:21:47,359
amazing and lo and behold all those

3593
02:21:50,389 --> 02:21:49,040
years later we rented that plane we got

3594
02:21:52,469 --> 02:21:50,399
the money together and

3595
02:21:54,070 --> 02:21:52,479
that was it it's a really powerful

3596
02:21:55,830 --> 02:21:54,080
segment of the film i think it is

3597
02:21:58,389 --> 02:21:55,840
i don't hear that many people talk about

3598
02:21:59,910 --> 02:21:58,399
it i think they're so blown away by the

3599
02:22:01,670 --> 02:21:59,920
by the rui case at the end that they

3600
02:22:03,830 --> 02:22:01,680
kind of forgot about that opening scene

3601
02:22:06,230 --> 02:22:03,840
with the b2 not b25 bomber but

3602
02:22:07,190 --> 02:22:06,240
that's a really cool case yeah the the

3603
02:22:09,830 --> 02:22:07,200
film is

3604
02:22:12,150 --> 02:22:09,840
actually very fast-paced uh there's a

3605
02:22:14,469 --> 02:22:12,160
lot of information in there

3606
02:22:15,590 --> 02:22:14,479
uh and you could have expanded you know

3607
02:22:18,469 --> 02:22:15,600
remove stuff

3608
02:22:20,710 --> 02:22:18,479
and and gone into more detail or did

3609
02:22:22,950 --> 02:22:20,720
this rapid fire for me

3610
02:22:25,349 --> 02:22:22,960
uh which is what i loved about the film

3611
02:22:26,710 --> 02:22:25,359
so much is that it just goes bam bam bam

3612
02:22:29,750 --> 02:22:26,720
bam bam

3613
02:22:31,270 --> 02:22:29,760
and uh the last thing that i want to

3614
02:22:36,230 --> 02:22:31,280
talk about tonight of course

3615
02:22:39,349 --> 02:22:36,240
is harry reid and um i

3616
02:22:40,630 --> 02:22:39,359
don't think and i want your opinion of

3617
02:22:44,230 --> 02:22:40,640
course

3618
02:22:47,910 --> 02:22:44,240
i don't think harry was holding

3619
02:22:49,990 --> 02:22:47,920
much back did anything hit the cutting

3620
02:22:53,349 --> 02:22:50,000
room floor

3621
02:22:58,070 --> 02:22:53,359
oh my god but did

3622
02:23:04,070 --> 02:22:58,080
did did he approve did he say too much

3623
02:23:05,910 --> 02:23:04,080
or do you think that he was holding back

3624
02:23:07,270 --> 02:23:05,920
i think initially he was holding back a

3625
02:23:09,670 --> 02:23:07,280
little bit and

3626
02:23:10,309 --> 02:23:09,680
we started kind of things got loosened

3627
02:23:12,150 --> 02:23:10,319
up

3628
02:23:13,750 --> 02:23:12,160
he was feeling me out i was feeling him

3629
02:23:15,990 --> 02:23:13,760
out

3630
02:23:17,030 --> 02:23:16,000
i mean it was a very uh you know pinch

3631
02:23:19,349 --> 02:23:17,040
myself moment

3632
02:23:20,550 --> 02:23:19,359
uh you know and i have george knapp to

3633
02:23:22,469 --> 02:23:20,560
thank for that

3634
02:23:24,150 --> 02:23:22,479
uh he was working diligently behind the

3635
02:23:25,510 --> 02:23:24,160
scenes for months to make that happen we

3636
02:23:28,710 --> 02:23:25,520
had a very

3637
02:23:31,349 --> 02:23:28,720
brief window of opportunity that opened

3638
02:23:31,990 --> 02:23:31,359
and that he agreed to and again your

3639
02:23:33,990 --> 02:23:32,000
audience would

3640
02:23:36,070 --> 02:23:34,000
be bored to death but i thought how that

3641
02:23:39,910 --> 02:23:36,080
eventually came about but it did

3642
02:23:41,750 --> 02:23:39,920
and um i had to pinch myself

3643
02:23:43,030 --> 02:23:41,760
you know like wow i mean perry reads a

3644
02:23:46,469 --> 02:23:43,040
household name i mean

3645
02:23:50,469 --> 02:23:46,479
senate majority leader um and

3646
02:23:53,510 --> 02:23:50,479
i didn't want to screw it up by

3647
02:23:55,590 --> 02:23:53,520
going beyond his comfort level you know

3648
02:23:58,070 --> 02:23:55,600
and i didn't know exactly where that was

3649
02:23:59,990 --> 02:23:58,080
as the interview started to progress i

3650
02:24:02,070 --> 02:24:00,000
want to say is about 30 35 minutes

3651
02:24:04,150 --> 02:24:02,080
into it i started to push the envelope a

3652
02:24:07,750 --> 02:24:04,160
little bit and and he responded

3653
02:24:10,389 --> 02:24:07,760
favorably and made some revelations that

3654
02:24:11,030 --> 02:24:10,399
truly swept me off my feet took my

3655
02:24:14,870 --> 02:24:11,040
breath away

3656
02:24:18,550 --> 02:24:14,880
and in fact the most uh

3657
02:24:19,830 --> 02:24:18,560
incredible tidbit that he shared

3658
02:24:21,270 --> 02:24:19,840
he didn't share during the sit-down

3659
02:24:22,950 --> 02:24:21,280
interview because quite honestly i i

3660
02:24:26,309 --> 02:24:22,960
neglected to ask

3661
02:24:27,590 --> 02:24:26,319
but uh we he he had a very um

3662
02:24:29,510 --> 02:24:27,600
like when he showed up he has a little

3663
02:24:31,429 --> 02:24:29,520
entourage he had security detail

3664
02:24:33,670 --> 02:24:31,439
i mean he was like when when harry reid

3665
02:24:34,469 --> 02:24:33,680
arrived you knew someone very important

3666
02:24:38,230 --> 02:24:34,479
was in the room

3667
02:24:38,950 --> 02:24:38,240
sure and um and i and i'd asked him i

3668
02:24:40,230 --> 02:24:38,960
said hey

3669
02:24:42,389 --> 02:24:40,240
uh you know because i knew he was

3670
02:24:44,070 --> 02:24:42,399
leaving i i i want to say he gave me 48

3671
02:24:46,230 --> 02:24:44,080
minutes like you know i was like very

3672
02:24:47,830 --> 02:24:46,240
precise very regimented he showed up

3673
02:24:49,190 --> 02:24:47,840
right on time and he left exactly when

3674
02:24:52,550 --> 02:24:49,200
he said he was going to leave

3675
02:24:54,150 --> 02:24:52,560
and i i said hey about a minute or two

3676
02:24:55,910 --> 02:24:54,160
prior to him leaving us would you mind

3677
02:24:57,110 --> 02:24:55,920
terribly if we got a quick b-roll shot

3678
02:24:59,270 --> 02:24:57,120
he totally understood

3679
02:25:01,030 --> 02:24:59,280
of us you know kind of a walk and talk

3680
02:25:02,309 --> 02:25:01,040
and a great and don't have time to set

3681
02:25:04,150 --> 02:25:02,319
the lights in the auto

3682
02:25:06,710 --> 02:25:04,160
the the audio gear so we're just going

3683
02:25:08,389 --> 02:25:06,720
to get we're going to get

3684
02:25:09,990 --> 02:25:08,399
the camera will pick up whatever audio

3685
02:25:11,510 --> 02:25:10,000
it picks up and that that'll be that

3686
02:25:13,110 --> 02:25:11,520
and i'm walking in with him in this

3687
02:25:14,870 --> 02:25:13,120
hallway

3688
02:25:16,790 --> 02:25:14,880
i figured well here i am walking with

3689
02:25:18,790 --> 02:25:16,800
senator harry reid i got to ask him

3690
02:25:20,870 --> 02:25:18,800
hey you know what was one of the more

3691
02:25:23,590 --> 02:25:20,880
astonishing aspects of

3692
02:25:24,070 --> 02:25:23,600
that you uncovered during this 10-year

3693
02:25:27,190 --> 02:25:24,080
project

3694
02:25:28,790 --> 02:25:27,200
at you know atip advanced the

3695
02:25:31,110 --> 02:25:28,800
threat identification program at the

3696
02:25:33,990 --> 02:25:31,120
pentagon and

3697
02:25:36,070 --> 02:25:34,000
without hesitation it was like not only

3698
02:25:38,870 --> 02:25:36,080
that these objects were

3699
02:25:40,309 --> 02:25:38,880
seen over super sensitive nuclear

3700
02:25:42,469 --> 02:25:40,319
weapons facilities

3701
02:25:44,150 --> 02:25:42,479
but in some instances that they were

3702
02:25:45,190 --> 02:25:44,160
actually interacting and shutting off

3703
02:25:48,309 --> 02:25:45,200
these nuclear

3704
02:25:48,950 --> 02:25:48,319
missiles and he said if the president on

3705
02:25:51,349 --> 02:25:48,960
a number of

3706
02:25:52,469 --> 02:25:51,359
occasions wanted to launch could have

3707
02:25:55,030 --> 02:25:52,479
done it

3708
02:25:56,550 --> 02:25:55,040
and having that level of confirmation

3709
02:25:59,910 --> 02:25:56,560
was

3710
02:26:00,710 --> 02:25:59,920
uh wow a wow moment and and that

3711
02:26:02,230 --> 02:26:00,720
actually added

3712
02:26:04,230 --> 02:26:02,240
the better part of the year because we

3713
02:26:06,150 --> 02:26:04,240
reached out to robert hastings and

3714
02:26:09,429 --> 02:26:06,160
robert hastings bless his heart

3715
02:26:10,870 --> 02:26:09,439
made all of his material available to us

3716
02:26:14,230 --> 02:26:10,880
and we did about a roughly ten minute

3717
02:26:17,510 --> 02:26:14,240
segment of ufos and nukes in the film

3718
02:26:19,510 --> 02:26:17,520
uh what's what's next are we gonna have

3719
02:26:22,710 --> 02:26:19,520
to wait seven more years

3720
02:26:26,070 --> 02:26:22,720
and no and before you answer that

3721
02:26:29,270 --> 02:26:26,080
originally 701

3722
02:26:32,870 --> 02:26:29,280
uh was the project

3723
02:26:35,349 --> 02:26:32,880
this is not 701 are we gonna see 701 in

3724
02:26:38,630 --> 02:26:35,359
the future

3725
02:26:39,190 --> 02:26:38,640
well 701 was a working title and i'd

3726
02:26:42,389 --> 02:26:39,200
gone through

3727
02:26:45,110 --> 02:26:42,399
a number of partners producers

3728
02:26:46,710 --> 02:26:45,120
financial backers i mean look you know

3729
02:26:48,550 --> 02:26:46,720
this was a better part of

3730
02:26:49,990 --> 02:26:48,560
seven and a half eight years from from

3731
02:26:52,550 --> 02:26:50,000
concept to completion

3732
02:26:54,230 --> 02:26:52,560
to to delivery you know you finish a

3733
02:26:56,070 --> 02:26:54,240
film people think you know oh good

3734
02:26:58,550 --> 02:26:56,080
the movie's done let's let's get it out

3735
02:27:00,630 --> 02:26:58,560
there but that's a whole process

3736
02:27:02,469 --> 02:27:00,640
once you finish a film you gotta you've

3737
02:27:02,870 --> 02:27:02,479
gotta do things called eno insurance

3738
02:27:05,110 --> 02:27:02,880
that's

3739
02:27:06,790 --> 02:27:05,120
really tedious you've got to do you know

3740
02:27:08,150 --> 02:27:06,800
all the color correction and all the

3741
02:27:11,510 --> 02:27:08,160
deliverables

3742
02:27:15,110 --> 02:27:11,520
a lot of times a distributor

3743
02:27:17,830 --> 02:27:15,120
will have a very stringent set of

3744
02:27:19,510 --> 02:27:17,840
rules of which you have to adhere to to

3745
02:27:21,830 --> 02:27:19,520
multiple versions of the film and

3746
02:27:24,389 --> 02:27:21,840
split audio channels and different

3747
02:27:29,510 --> 02:27:24,399
prints and high def and standard def and

3748
02:27:29,520 --> 02:27:33,270
so

3749
02:27:37,830 --> 02:27:35,910
lots of lots of stuff ended up on the

3750
02:27:39,190 --> 02:27:37,840
interim floor and i would often say

3751
02:27:41,510 --> 02:27:39,200
but you're so exhausted at the end of

3752
02:27:43,270 --> 02:27:41,520
this process you can't even imagine like

3753
02:27:45,030 --> 02:27:43,280
you know you just want to just almost

3754
02:27:46,150 --> 02:27:45,040
die um

3755
02:27:47,590 --> 02:27:46,160
a lot of stuff ends up at the end of

3756
02:27:48,550 --> 02:27:47,600
room floor i mean you have to do this

3757
02:27:50,230 --> 02:27:48,560
very

3758
02:27:51,910 --> 02:27:50,240
tough process we would jokingly say kill

3759
02:27:52,950 --> 02:27:51,920
your darlings in the studio and that was

3760
02:27:54,630 --> 02:27:52,960
true because

3761
02:27:56,150 --> 02:27:54,640
nobody knows what it took to get a lot

3762
02:27:58,230 --> 02:27:56,160
of this you know content and then you

3763
02:27:59,030 --> 02:27:58,240
just have to just get rid of it you know

3764
02:28:01,429 --> 02:27:59,040
you've got

3765
02:28:02,150 --> 02:28:01,439
tens of hours of hundreds of hours of

3766
02:28:03,429 --> 02:28:02,160
material

3767
02:28:05,910 --> 02:28:03,439
you have to whittle it down to 90

3768
02:28:07,429 --> 02:28:05,920
minutes 100 minutes um so i'd always had

3769
02:28:07,910 --> 02:28:07,439
in the back of my mind like i've got to

3770
02:28:10,230 --> 02:28:07,920
do

3771
02:28:12,550 --> 02:28:10,240
i've got i can't just let this stuff rot

3772
02:28:15,990 --> 02:28:12,560
i've got a i have to i

3773
02:28:20,389 --> 02:28:16,000
i owe it to myself to to do something

3774
02:28:23,910 --> 02:28:20,399
more um you know further with all this

3775
02:28:26,070 --> 02:28:23,920
wonderful material um but

3776
02:28:27,670 --> 02:28:26,080
give me another example i mean virginia

3777
02:28:30,950 --> 02:28:27,680
i went to virginia

3778
02:28:33,990 --> 02:28:30,960
four times that's the brazil the the

3779
02:28:36,230 --> 02:28:34,000
the roswell of brazil 1996.

3780
02:28:38,230 --> 02:28:36,240
incredible case i didn't believe it when

3781
02:28:39,990 --> 02:28:38,240
i first started investigating it but i

3782
02:28:41,590 --> 02:28:40,000
fully believe it now that there was a

3783
02:28:43,990 --> 02:28:41,600
crash and that there were beans

3784
02:28:45,830 --> 02:28:44,000
that survived the crash and that those

3785
02:28:47,510 --> 02:28:45,840
beans were witnessed by people in broad

3786
02:28:48,710 --> 02:28:47,520
daylight and i interviewed lots of them

3787
02:28:50,790 --> 02:28:48,720
on camera

3788
02:28:51,910 --> 02:28:50,800
none of that ended up in the movie no

3789
02:28:53,750 --> 02:28:51,920
not even a second

3790
02:28:55,670 --> 02:28:53,760
of it so you're sitting on all this

3791
02:28:56,790 --> 02:28:55,680
stuff so inevitably you you have to do

3792
02:28:59,990 --> 02:28:56,800
something with it

3793
02:29:01,510 --> 02:29:00,000
and uh and i just been i've also been

3794
02:29:05,349 --> 02:29:01,520
contemplating

3795
02:29:09,270 --> 02:29:07,030
i want to sit back and enjoy the fruits

3796
02:29:10,150 --> 02:29:09,280
of my labor after all this time and all

3797
02:29:13,030 --> 02:29:10,160
the stress and

3798
02:29:14,870 --> 02:29:13,040
getting over ptsd and all that stuff but

3799
02:29:17,910 --> 02:29:14,880
at the same time i recognize

3800
02:29:21,110 --> 02:29:17,920
this unique

3801
02:29:23,110 --> 02:29:21,120
opportunity that the spotlight is on us

3802
02:29:24,150 --> 02:29:23,120
right now it doesn't last long it's

3803
02:29:27,270 --> 02:29:24,160
fleeting

3804
02:29:32,309 --> 02:29:27,280
and that we have an obligation to

3805
02:29:35,910 --> 02:29:32,319
keep pushing not to

3806
02:29:36,790 --> 02:29:35,920
lose the momentum and the people around

3807
02:29:39,349 --> 02:29:36,800
us that are

3808
02:29:39,830 --> 02:29:39,359
we're all we all work well together and

3809
02:29:44,230 --> 02:29:39,840
so

3810
02:29:47,429 --> 02:29:44,240
uh you know that that will continue

3811
02:29:49,590 --> 02:29:47,439
and uh there will be more uh things

3812
02:29:51,510 --> 02:29:49,600
uh some very exciting announcements and

3813
02:29:54,469 --> 02:29:51,520
things i think in 2021

3814
02:29:55,830 --> 02:29:54,479
well when you when you look back and you

3815
02:29:59,349 --> 02:29:55,840
you considered

3816
02:30:01,270 --> 02:29:59,359
uh some of the momentum from the past

3817
02:30:02,790 --> 02:30:01,280
and certainly the things that larry king

3818
02:30:05,510 --> 02:30:02,800
was doing and

3819
02:30:07,349 --> 02:30:05,520
and and you were always very visible in

3820
02:30:09,429 --> 02:30:07,359
the media

3821
02:30:10,710 --> 02:30:09,439
what feels different now in this

3822
02:30:13,830 --> 02:30:10,720
timeline

3823
02:30:15,670 --> 02:30:13,840
right where it's not 2020 it's

3824
02:30:18,550 --> 02:30:15,680
it's this point in history where the

3825
02:30:20,630 --> 02:30:18,560
media it's not just larry king doing a

3826
02:30:23,190 --> 02:30:20,640
special twice a year

3827
02:30:24,950 --> 02:30:23,200
right we've got this out in front we've

3828
02:30:25,270 --> 02:30:24,960
got the senate talking about it we've

3829
02:30:27,670 --> 02:30:25,280
got

3830
02:30:28,870 --> 02:30:27,680
trump talking you know it's it's it's

3831
02:30:32,230 --> 02:30:28,880
out there now

3832
02:30:35,750 --> 02:30:32,240
what feels different today than

3833
02:30:37,750 --> 02:30:35,760
some of the glory days in the past

3834
02:30:39,510 --> 02:30:37,760
one of the things that i've noticed and

3835
02:30:44,469 --> 02:30:39,520
you know we can tip our hat

3836
02:30:49,110 --> 02:30:47,110
the new york times uh you know that

3837
02:30:52,070 --> 02:30:49,120
really changed

3838
02:30:53,990 --> 02:30:52,080
uh um everything changed december of

3839
02:30:55,349 --> 02:30:54,000
2017 when that

3840
02:30:57,590 --> 02:30:55,359
front page article and you know

3841
02:30:59,110 --> 02:30:57,600
christopher mellon is uh

3842
02:31:00,630 --> 02:30:59,120
in a very nice way he's kind of

3843
02:31:03,030 --> 02:31:00,640
criticized the

3844
02:31:05,030 --> 02:31:03,040
new york times for not having grasped

3845
02:31:07,110 --> 02:31:05,040
the bigger picture and that was the fact

3846
02:31:08,790 --> 02:31:07,120
that there are these unknown objects

3847
02:31:10,389 --> 02:31:08,800
whizzing around our airspace with

3848
02:31:13,429 --> 02:31:10,399
impunity and that they

3849
02:31:16,150 --> 02:31:13,439
don't appear to be from

3850
02:31:18,710 --> 02:31:16,160
this world um that was a more explosive

3851
02:31:20,950 --> 02:31:18,720
story as far as he was and they sort of

3852
02:31:22,790 --> 02:31:20,960
pinned the whole article around the fact

3853
02:31:23,830 --> 02:31:22,800
that there was a secret ufo pentagon

3854
02:31:26,790 --> 02:31:23,840
program

3855
02:31:27,990 --> 02:31:26,800
um and that was you know so he felt he

3856
02:31:30,550 --> 02:31:28,000
kind of missed

3857
02:31:31,990 --> 02:31:30,560
a much bigger opportunity but baby steps

3858
02:31:33,190 --> 02:31:32,000
you know and i wouldn't even say baby

3859
02:31:36,469 --> 02:31:33,200
steps that was a

3860
02:31:39,349 --> 02:31:36,479
i think that the climate changed forever

3861
02:31:41,030 --> 02:31:39,359
after that i mean i know because i've

3862
02:31:42,710 --> 02:31:41,040
been ridiculed and laughed at for

3863
02:31:45,910 --> 02:31:42,720
decades and i have

3864
02:31:48,870 --> 02:31:45,920
people that are very serious uh

3865
02:31:49,990 --> 02:31:48,880
established um respected people from

3866
02:31:52,070 --> 02:31:50,000
around the world that are actually

3867
02:31:56,150 --> 02:31:52,080
reaching out that used to laugh at me

3868
02:31:57,750 --> 02:31:56,160
and now saying my god james we

3869
02:31:59,510 --> 02:31:57,760
there really appears to be something to

3870
02:32:01,190 --> 02:31:59,520
this this is something else

3871
02:32:03,510 --> 02:32:01,200
these people cannot be laughed out of

3872
02:32:04,630 --> 02:32:03,520
the room this evidence is incredibly

3873
02:32:06,710 --> 02:32:04,640
compelling we're

3874
02:32:08,950 --> 02:32:06,720
taking a second look here and then then

3875
02:32:11,349 --> 02:32:08,960
you see people like

3876
02:32:13,190 --> 02:32:11,359
you know senator reid not only

3877
02:32:14,309 --> 02:32:13,200
participating in this film but probably

3878
02:32:17,110 --> 02:32:14,319
endorsing it

3879
02:32:18,870 --> 02:32:17,120
um people from the cia people like lou

3880
02:32:20,630 --> 02:32:18,880
elizondo

3881
02:32:22,150 --> 02:32:20,640
you know i don't think we've experienced

3882
02:32:24,389 --> 02:32:22,160
that before so

3883
02:32:25,429 --> 02:32:24,399
it's it's a very exciting moment and i

3884
02:32:28,230 --> 02:32:25,439
and i

3885
02:32:28,790 --> 02:32:28,240
i'm it's just an honor and a privilege

3886
02:32:31,510 --> 02:32:28,800
to

3887
02:32:32,389 --> 02:32:31,520
play a small role in it you know and and

3888
02:32:34,150 --> 02:32:32,399
i'm very excited

3889
02:32:35,590 --> 02:32:34,160
and like i said earlier i feel there's

3890
02:32:38,309 --> 02:32:35,600
an obligation

3891
02:32:39,910 --> 02:32:38,319
uh to keep the pressure up and not this

3892
02:32:42,150 --> 02:32:39,920
is not the time to let off

3893
02:32:43,429 --> 02:32:42,160
no you deserve uh the position that

3894
02:32:46,150 --> 02:32:43,439
you're in right now

3895
02:32:47,030 --> 02:32:46,160
and i'm very excited not only for the

3896
02:32:49,830 --> 02:32:47,040
film

3897
02:32:50,630 --> 02:32:49,840
and and to see it get released but but

3898
02:32:54,070 --> 02:32:50,640
for you

3899
02:32:54,710 --> 02:32:54,080
after so many years uh invested into

3900
02:32:57,110 --> 02:32:54,720
this

3901
02:32:58,950 --> 02:32:57,120
where you are able to just sit back and

3902
02:33:01,270 --> 02:32:58,960
kind of enjoy the moment

3903
02:33:02,070 --> 02:33:01,280
and for all of that james we thank you

3904
02:33:05,190 --> 02:33:02,080
so much

3905
02:33:07,830 --> 02:33:05,200
and uh 2021 is now here

3906
02:33:10,230 --> 02:33:07,840
let's go enjoy it and and get this world

3907
02:33:11,510 --> 02:33:10,240
turned back around

3908
02:33:12,790 --> 02:33:11,520
thank you and i really appreciate you

3909
02:33:15,349 --> 02:33:12,800
having me on the show and i want to say

3910
02:33:17,910 --> 02:33:15,359
one last thing and i'll shut up

3911
02:33:18,790 --> 02:33:17,920
if you guys if anyone out there wants to

3912
02:33:22,230 --> 02:33:18,800
help

3913
02:33:23,429 --> 02:33:22,240
raiding the documentary on itunes or

3914
02:33:26,870 --> 02:33:23,439
rotten tomatoes

3915
02:33:28,790 --> 02:33:26,880
is extremely helpful to us take a moment

3916
02:33:30,469 --> 02:33:28,800
if you rent the film obviously rented

3917
02:33:31,590 --> 02:33:30,479
from the cheapest platform you can get

3918
02:33:34,070 --> 02:33:31,600
it for a couple bucks

3919
02:33:35,830 --> 02:33:34,080
if you decide you want to buy the movie

3920
02:33:38,630 --> 02:33:35,840
definitely go to vimeo or

3921
02:33:40,389 --> 02:33:38,640
itunes if for the same price you get

3922
02:33:41,830 --> 02:33:40,399
three hours of bonus material

3923
02:33:43,750 --> 02:33:41,840
for whatever reason they were the only

3924
02:33:45,910 --> 02:33:43,760
two platforms that

3925
02:33:46,870 --> 02:33:45,920
would take the three hours material that

3926
02:33:48,950 --> 02:33:46,880
i provided

3927
02:33:50,630 --> 02:33:48,960
and again it's the same price you buy it

3928
02:33:51,990 --> 02:33:50,640
anywhere else except if you get it from

3929
02:33:53,670 --> 02:33:52,000
itunes or vimeo

3930
02:33:55,190 --> 02:33:53,680
you get three hours of bonus material

3931
02:33:57,429 --> 02:33:55,200
with the move that's pretty cool

3932
02:33:59,429 --> 02:33:57,439
wait a minute i didn't get three hours

3933
02:34:01,190 --> 02:33:59,439
of bonus material

3934
02:34:02,550 --> 02:34:01,200
i keep forgetting to tell people about

3935
02:34:06,150 --> 02:34:02,560
that no

3936
02:34:09,510 --> 02:34:06,160
i i expect it in my dropbox in about

3937
02:34:11,349 --> 02:34:09,520
20 minutes sorry

3938
02:34:12,550 --> 02:34:11,359
what kind of crap i said james you

3939
02:34:14,309 --> 02:34:12,560
mentioned this

3940
02:34:16,070 --> 02:34:14,319
i forget to mention this but people need

3941
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to know if you're going to buy

3942
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it if you're going to spend the 12 bucks

3943
02:34:21,190 --> 02:34:19,280
or whatever it is uh

3944
02:34:22,550 --> 02:34:21,200
definitely buy it from itunes or video

3945
02:34:24,630 --> 02:34:22,560
look i offered it

3946
02:34:26,230 --> 02:34:24,640
for free for no extra cost at all

3947
02:34:26,950 --> 02:34:26,240
platforms but there are only two that

3948
02:34:29,110 --> 02:34:26,960
offer

3949
02:34:30,150 --> 02:34:29,120
that are willing to do that for us and

3950
02:34:32,710 --> 02:34:30,160
that's again

3951
02:34:33,910 --> 02:34:32,720
itunes and vimeo man i'm going to ghost

3952
02:34:37,910 --> 02:34:33,920
to you again

3953
02:34:38,950 --> 02:34:37,920
and see a ghost was supposed to be out

3954
02:34:41,670 --> 02:34:38,960
of our lives

3955
02:34:43,670 --> 02:34:41,680
i think it's just re-entered james thank

3956
02:34:46,469 --> 02:34:43,680
you so much my friend thank you for

3957
02:34:46,870 --> 02:34:46,479
everything i look forward to uh uh not

3958
02:34:49,590 --> 02:34:46,880
only

3959
02:34:51,190 --> 02:34:49,600
uh future shows but hanging out and and

3960
02:34:51,910 --> 02:34:51,200
again happy holidays to you and the

3961
02:34:55,030 --> 02:34:51,920
family and

3962
02:34:57,349 --> 02:34:55,040
and say hello to ollie for me okay

3963
02:34:59,190 --> 02:34:57,359
same to you and all your listeners thank

3964
02:35:01,990 --> 02:34:59,200
you we're in this together

3965
02:35:04,150 --> 02:35:02,000
james fox it's very simple the

3966
02:35:06,230 --> 02:35:04,160
phenomenon film dot com

3967
02:35:08,630 --> 02:35:06,240
is the website you can follow james

3968
02:35:11,830 --> 02:35:08,640
right there on twitter at james fox

3969
02:35:13,190 --> 02:35:11,840
the film is out on uh on amazon and of

3970
02:35:14,870 --> 02:35:13,200
course vimeo

3971
02:35:16,550 --> 02:35:14,880
go and get it three hours of bonus

3972
02:35:17,590 --> 02:35:16,560
footage don't forget about that i'm

3973
02:35:18,950 --> 02:35:17,600
yours jimmy church

3974
02:35:20,550 --> 02:35:18,960
i'll be right back after this short

3975
02:35:22,389 --> 02:35:20,560
break thank you james have a great

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holiday

3977
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thanks for having me bye the very best

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hey what up y'all biblical fox here and

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you are listening to my boy

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this is jimmy church of fade to black

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4085
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welcome back fade to black i want to

4086
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thank james fox for coming in tonight

4087
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christmas week here on fade to black

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4089
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747-2282051 i want to get

4090
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some of your uh reactions

4091
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uh to this news about uh ttsa

4092
02:40:51,269 --> 02:40:48,240
and uh and and how how you feel

4093
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about this and uh for a lot of different

4094
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reasons and i'll get

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back to that in a second but

4096
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747-228-2051

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and while i'm waiting uh for the phones

4098
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to cycle through

4099
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i want to talk about the phenomenon for

4100
02:41:14,230 --> 02:41:10,309
i know i mentioned a few times uh

4101
02:41:17,830 --> 02:41:14,240
during uh the show tonight that i was

4102
02:41:20,389 --> 02:41:17,840
uh privileged uh to watch this film

4103
02:41:21,349 --> 02:41:20,399
in development and i can't stress that

4104
02:41:24,790 --> 02:41:21,359
enough

4105
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um james uh shared with me

4106
02:41:32,790 --> 02:41:28,960
over uh the last two or three years uh

4107
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eclipse of the film um and honestly

4108
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uh wanted my opinion and it wasn't

4109
02:41:43,670 --> 02:41:39,840
and uh this is what was really cool

4110
02:41:51,349 --> 02:41:47,910
the cases um that that came much later

4111
02:41:54,469 --> 02:41:51,359
he was so concerned about

4112
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the imaging how it looked

4113
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and and how the edits he was so

4114
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concerned about that and

4115
02:42:04,870 --> 02:42:02,080
and for me and i i just love film

4116
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right i live here in hollywood i love

4117
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film

4118
02:42:10,710 --> 02:42:08,479
and that's always my first take

4119
02:42:12,389 --> 02:42:10,720
is the technical side of things i'm

4120
02:42:15,750 --> 02:42:12,399
looking at the imaging

4121
02:42:18,870 --> 02:42:15,760
if if if the content is good but

4122
02:42:19,510 --> 02:42:18,880
today the production uh value is not

4123
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there

4124
02:42:28,230 --> 02:42:23,840
you've really got to bring your a game

4125
02:42:31,590 --> 02:42:28,240
and james was so concerned about that

4126
02:42:34,150 --> 02:42:31,600
and and and in some instances

4127
02:42:35,429 --> 02:42:34,160
uh i wanted to talk about these cases

4128
02:42:38,230 --> 02:42:35,439
individually

4129
02:42:39,030 --> 02:42:38,240
um but he kept pushing away from that he

4130
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wanted to know

4131
02:42:46,309 --> 02:42:43,200
that um was such a high priority

4132
02:42:50,230 --> 02:42:46,319
for him and he mentioned this tonight

4133
02:42:51,830 --> 02:42:50,240
briefly but he had said this is the

4134
02:42:54,950 --> 02:42:51,840
first time

4135
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uh in in in my life and i've been doing

4136
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this

4137
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uh for so long it's the first time i've

4138
02:43:02,309 --> 02:42:59,359
had a little bit of a

4139
02:43:04,469 --> 02:43:02,319
a real budget where i was able to get

4140
02:43:07,750 --> 02:43:04,479
cameras i was able to get the right dp

4141
02:43:08,710 --> 02:43:07,760
i was able to go out and and shoot on

4142
02:43:11,830 --> 02:43:08,720
location

4143
02:43:15,349 --> 02:43:11,840
um in such dramatic fashion with

4144
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uh the best gear possible and

4145
02:43:20,150 --> 02:43:18,240
and i just want to make sure jimmy that

4146
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you see that do you see it and

4147
02:43:26,710 --> 02:43:23,439
and and i did and i i

4148
02:43:29,830 --> 02:43:26,720
saw the package for package coming in

4149
02:43:32,950 --> 02:43:29,840
and and watching i thought man

4150
02:43:34,469 --> 02:43:32,960
this once this gets edited together

4151
02:43:38,710 --> 02:43:34,479
because i was getting it in

4152
02:43:41,750 --> 02:43:38,720
in in packets once this gets assembled

4153
02:43:43,670 --> 02:43:41,760
this is going to be extraordinary

4154
02:43:45,269 --> 02:43:43,680
this is going to take things to the next

4155
02:43:46,870 --> 02:43:45,279
level and

4156
02:43:48,950 --> 02:43:46,880
and i was able to go through all of

4157
02:43:51,990 --> 02:43:48,960
those stages and i am here

4158
02:43:54,790 --> 02:43:52,000
to say this film is

4159
02:43:56,469 --> 02:43:54,800
like no other that's been done before in

4160
02:43:59,670 --> 02:43:56,479
in ufology and

4161
02:44:03,429 --> 02:43:59,680
that includes his past work but

4162
02:44:07,110 --> 02:44:03,439
it is at another level it's cinematic

4163
02:44:10,150 --> 02:44:07,120
uh the soundscape and and

4164
02:44:11,750 --> 02:44:10,160
that part of it and the music is it's

4165
02:44:17,830 --> 02:44:11,760
just incredible

4166
02:44:25,429 --> 02:44:21,750
james knew how good the film was

4167
02:44:27,269 --> 02:44:25,439
and 1091 uh who was

4168
02:44:28,469 --> 02:44:27,279
uh you know working with this all the

4169
02:44:30,870 --> 02:44:28,479
way through

4170
02:44:32,150 --> 02:44:30,880
knew how good the film was so they

4171
02:44:35,349 --> 02:44:32,160
decided

4172
02:44:39,590 --> 02:44:35,359
to absolutely take this into a full

4173
02:44:41,269 --> 02:44:39,600
theatrical release and it was 700

4174
02:44:42,790 --> 02:44:41,279
screens and it was 900 then it was a

4175
02:44:44,550 --> 02:44:42,800
thousand like you said that was 1200

4176
02:44:47,830 --> 02:44:44,560
there's 1400 screen

4177
02:44:50,469 --> 02:44:47,840
full national release and

4178
02:44:51,190 --> 02:44:50,479
this doesn't happen for our community

4179
02:44:53,990 --> 02:44:51,200
and we

4180
02:44:54,710 --> 02:44:54,000
were fired up everything was go the

4181
02:44:58,950 --> 02:44:54,720
premiere

4182
02:45:01,110 --> 02:44:58,960
and and and things and and covet happens

4183
02:45:02,150 --> 02:45:01,120
and after all of that effort and

4184
02:45:05,349 --> 02:45:02,160
everything that

4185
02:45:08,790 --> 02:45:05,359
james he left it all on the table man

4186
02:45:10,790 --> 02:45:08,800
he did and after all of that the rug

4187
02:45:12,389 --> 02:45:10,800
completely pulled out from under him

4188
02:45:14,389 --> 02:45:12,399
because of the pandemic

4189
02:45:15,670 --> 02:45:14,399
and theaters getting shut down in the

4190
02:45:19,429 --> 02:45:15,680
country and

4191
02:45:22,150 --> 02:45:19,439
the film is done it's finished

4192
02:45:23,590 --> 02:45:22,160
the relief is there and then that

4193
02:45:27,830 --> 02:45:23,600
happened to him

4194
02:45:30,070 --> 02:45:27,840
i uh man his spirits are high

4195
02:45:31,910 --> 02:45:30,080
today because he knows how good the film

4196
02:45:35,190 --> 02:45:31,920
is and the reaction

4197
02:45:38,469 --> 02:45:35,200
and and he is able to just enjoy it

4198
02:45:39,990 --> 02:45:38,479
but i i gotta say uh watching this get

4199
02:45:41,349 --> 02:45:40,000
developed over the last two or three

4200
02:45:43,349 --> 02:45:41,359
years and to have

4201
02:45:45,269 --> 02:45:43,359
the theatrical release because i was

4202
02:45:46,870 --> 02:45:45,279
excited i was excited for the community

4203
02:45:48,469 --> 02:45:46,880
i was excited for the country in the

4204
02:45:50,950 --> 02:45:48,479
world to be able to go

4205
02:45:52,070 --> 02:45:50,960
into theaters and see this on the big

4206
02:45:55,510 --> 02:45:52,080
screen

4207
02:45:58,630 --> 02:45:55,520
oh man and not to say that that still uh

4208
02:46:01,269 --> 02:45:58,640
can't happen i would love uh

4209
02:46:02,469 --> 02:46:01,279
once the theaters opened back up that

4210
02:46:06,230 --> 02:46:02,479
that maybe this film

4211
02:46:08,230 --> 02:46:06,240
could get back into a re-release and a

4212
02:46:10,710 --> 02:46:08,240
theatrical release

4213
02:46:11,269 --> 02:46:10,720
so let's keep our fingers crossed there

4214
02:46:13,590 --> 02:46:11,279
but the

4215
02:46:14,630 --> 02:46:13,600
film is absolutely incredible i feel

4216
02:46:17,830 --> 02:46:14,640
like i have

4217
02:46:20,309 --> 02:46:17,840
uh i have uh stuff invested uh

4218
02:46:21,190 --> 02:46:20,319
into this film personally because i was

4219
02:46:24,150 --> 02:46:21,200
able to see it

4220
02:46:26,230 --> 02:46:24,160
uh assemble and get put together so the

4221
02:46:27,990 --> 02:46:26,240
film is the phenomenon go check it out

4222
02:46:30,550 --> 02:46:28,000
on amazon on vimeo

4223
02:46:32,950 --> 02:46:30,560
whatever your streaming platform is and

4224
02:46:34,710 --> 02:46:32,960
go and support this absolutely great

4225
02:46:35,750 --> 02:46:34,720
project i want to thank james fox for

4226
02:46:38,070 --> 02:46:35,760
coming in tonight

4227
02:46:39,269 --> 02:46:38,080
he you know last week was it last week

4228
02:46:43,190 --> 02:46:39,279
he's on rogan

4229
02:46:47,349 --> 02:46:43,200
right this week he's on fade to black

4230
02:46:50,790 --> 02:46:47,359
oh man i uh yeah yeah it's that cool

4231
02:46:53,910 --> 02:46:50,800
all right with that seven four seven

4232
02:46:54,630 --> 02:46:53,920
two two eight two zero five one let's go

4233
02:46:56,230 --> 02:46:54,640
to the phones

4234
02:46:58,630 --> 02:46:56,240
hi you're live on fade to black who's

4235
02:47:01,830 --> 02:47:01,030
hey jimmy it's carrie from palm springs

4236
02:47:07,750 --> 02:47:01,840
how are you

4237
02:47:10,070 --> 02:47:07,760
you ready for the holidays

4238
02:47:13,030 --> 02:47:10,080
uh you know this year just doesn't

4239
02:47:14,790 --> 02:47:13,040
really seem like a festive year but i'm

4240
02:47:16,070 --> 02:47:14,800
you know i'm grateful the holidays are

4241
02:47:19,830 --> 02:47:16,080
here and

4242
02:47:21,670 --> 02:47:19,840
it's almost 20 21 so that's my festive

4243
02:47:22,309 --> 02:47:21,680
mood it's looking forward to the new

4244
02:47:24,070 --> 02:47:22,319
year

4245
02:47:25,429 --> 02:47:24,080
yeah it feels a little different there's

4246
02:47:28,550 --> 02:47:25,439
no denying that

4247
02:47:29,510 --> 02:47:28,560
i mean uh for all of us um i'm i'm just

4248
02:47:33,269 --> 02:47:29,520
trying to

4249
02:47:35,269 --> 02:47:33,279
uh uh uh get myself in the mood

4250
02:47:37,590 --> 02:47:35,279
right that's it that's it we have to

4251
02:47:39,510 --> 02:47:37,600
right we have to absolutely

4252
02:47:41,190 --> 02:47:39,520
you know we've all been bumped down

4253
02:47:42,870 --> 02:47:41,200
we've all been bummed out for so many

4254
02:47:44,790 --> 02:47:42,880
months

4255
02:47:46,150 --> 02:47:44,800
i know well i'm grateful you and your

4256
02:47:49,590 --> 02:47:46,160
whole family are well

4257
02:47:51,190 --> 02:47:49,600
and through covered so that's really

4258
02:47:52,950 --> 02:47:51,200
really wonderful news that you're doing

4259
02:47:56,790 --> 02:47:52,960
so well

4260
02:47:57,990 --> 02:47:56,800
um i love your host james fox i saw his

4261
02:47:59,830 --> 02:47:58,000
film phenomenon

4262
02:48:01,670 --> 02:47:59,840
i'm really po'd now that i know there's

4263
02:48:01,990 --> 02:48:01,680
three hours out there so i'm going to go

4264
02:48:04,070 --> 02:48:02,000
buy

4265
02:48:05,590 --> 02:48:04,080
it what would you think about three

4266
02:48:07,910 --> 02:48:05,600
hours after you

4267
02:48:10,389 --> 02:48:07,920
uh listen to james tonight uh speak

4268
02:48:12,630 --> 02:48:10,399
about the film and you have seen it

4269
02:48:14,830 --> 02:48:12,640
uh it's pretty cool to know that he was

4270
02:48:16,309 --> 02:48:14,840
that passionate about putting this film

4271
02:48:18,150 --> 02:48:16,319
together

4272
02:48:20,309 --> 02:48:18,160
absolutely but you could really see that

4273
02:48:23,030 --> 02:48:20,319
come through in the film i mean he

4274
02:48:23,790 --> 02:48:23,040
he put a lot of detail into it and it's

4275
02:48:27,349 --> 02:48:23,800
like a

4276
02:48:31,910 --> 02:48:27,359
painstaking succinct

4277
02:48:35,429 --> 02:48:31,920
chronicle of basically the best ufo

4278
02:48:38,710 --> 02:48:35,439
you know experiences ever documented

4279
02:48:40,630 --> 02:48:38,720
and um it's really it's it's an amazing

4280
02:48:42,070 --> 02:48:40,640
film and i'm so appreciative of this

4281
02:48:45,670 --> 02:48:42,080
hard work to bring it

4282
02:48:47,590 --> 02:48:45,680
to to film and you know i'm bummed that

4283
02:48:50,389 --> 02:48:47,600
he didn't get the theatrical release

4284
02:48:52,309 --> 02:48:50,399
but i'm hoping you know as things start

4285
02:48:54,230 --> 02:48:52,319
to come together after the new year that

4286
02:48:57,110 --> 02:48:54,240
he'll have that opportunity because it's

4287
02:48:57,590 --> 02:48:57,120
really a remarkable film and it really

4288
02:49:00,469 --> 02:48:57,600
puts

4289
02:49:02,469 --> 02:49:00,479
ufology and those that have had

4290
02:49:03,910 --> 02:49:02,479
experiences on the map and gives us so

4291
02:49:07,030 --> 02:49:03,920
much credibility

4292
02:49:09,990 --> 02:49:07,040
because these um amazing

4293
02:49:11,110 --> 02:49:10,000
you know experiences that these

4294
02:49:13,910 --> 02:49:11,120
individuals

4295
02:49:14,950 --> 02:49:13,920
have had are just so remarkable and

4296
02:49:18,230 --> 02:49:14,960
undeniable

4297
02:49:21,349 --> 02:49:18,240
and it's really quite amazing

4298
02:49:23,269 --> 02:49:21,359
now uh one of the things that uh

4299
02:49:25,190 --> 02:49:23,279
i really enjoyed doing tonight was

4300
02:49:27,750 --> 02:49:25,200
turning it around on james

4301
02:49:29,510 --> 02:49:27,760
and asking him what his favorite part of

4302
02:49:32,710 --> 02:49:29,520
the film was

4303
02:49:35,830 --> 02:49:32,720
because there's so much in this film uh

4304
02:49:37,750 --> 02:49:35,840
to uh to take in and

4305
02:49:39,030 --> 02:49:37,760
absorb i'm going to ask you the same

4306
02:49:43,429 --> 02:49:39,040
question

4307
02:49:49,349 --> 02:49:46,950
god you know seeing the socorro

4308
02:49:50,710 --> 02:49:49,359
um event is really one of my favorites

4309
02:49:54,230 --> 02:49:50,720
and to see

4310
02:49:57,510 --> 02:49:54,240
um lonnie's wife interviewed and

4311
02:50:00,550 --> 02:49:57,520
um you know footage of her and

4312
02:50:02,950 --> 02:50:00,560
um that was really moving to me

4313
02:50:04,710 --> 02:50:02,960
you know um and then the children from

4314
02:50:07,190 --> 02:50:04,720
westfall that were

4315
02:50:08,150 --> 02:50:07,200
you know adults later and then he

4316
02:50:10,630 --> 02:50:08,160
finally got the

4317
02:50:11,670 --> 02:50:10,640
headmistress on that was reluctant to

4318
02:50:14,870 --> 02:50:11,680
even be filmed

4319
02:50:15,750 --> 02:50:14,880
years ago so i don't know it was so

4320
02:50:19,269 --> 02:50:15,760
powerful

4321
02:50:22,469 --> 02:50:19,279
but uh i guess i don't know i really

4322
02:50:25,910 --> 02:50:22,479
i really love the soccoro um event

4323
02:50:27,590 --> 02:50:25,920
i felt that is really a very powerful

4324
02:50:29,030 --> 02:50:27,600
sighting i know and i know that's the

4325
02:50:32,230 --> 02:50:29,040
one that turned um

4326
02:50:33,429 --> 02:50:32,240
um highneck around it was it was and you

4327
02:50:37,030 --> 02:50:33,439
know what's really funny

4328
02:50:40,870 --> 02:50:37,040
for you to say that is

4329
02:50:44,630 --> 02:50:40,880
his treatment of uh the socorro case

4330
02:50:47,190 --> 02:50:44,640
is so extraordinary um

4331
02:50:47,670 --> 02:50:47,200
for a case that most of us are familiar

4332
02:50:49,429 --> 02:50:47,680
with

4333
02:50:51,349 --> 02:50:49,439
but he certainly takes it to a whole

4334
02:50:54,870 --> 02:50:51,359
other level and you

4335
02:50:57,190 --> 02:50:54,880
come away from that just blown away by

4336
02:50:57,990 --> 02:50:57,200
how significant the case is but that's

4337
02:51:01,110 --> 02:50:58,000
how good

4338
02:51:04,389 --> 02:51:01,120
that segment of the movie is to uh

4339
02:51:07,670 --> 02:51:04,399
to put that at the level of uh rua

4340
02:51:09,750 --> 02:51:07,680
yeah because and yeah and and westall

4341
02:51:10,309 --> 02:51:09,760
and the opening sequence in the film too

4342
02:51:12,710 --> 02:51:10,319
as well

4343
02:51:13,429 --> 02:51:12,720
and that includes harry reid and that

4344
02:51:16,630 --> 02:51:13,439
includes

4345
02:51:18,309 --> 02:51:16,640
chris mellon who had these tremendous

4346
02:51:22,070 --> 02:51:18,319
moments in the film

4347
02:51:25,590 --> 02:51:22,080
uh but the the socorro segment is

4348
02:51:27,750 --> 02:51:25,600
is unbelievably great

4349
02:51:29,190 --> 02:51:27,760
it really is i mean with that little

4350
02:51:32,389 --> 02:51:29,200
extra nugget of

4351
02:51:33,429 --> 02:51:32,399
how he was told to you know not really

4352
02:51:36,710 --> 02:51:33,439
reveal the act

4353
02:51:39,670 --> 02:51:36,720
the true markings on the craft and then

4354
02:51:40,150 --> 02:51:39,680
that they you know uncover the actual

4355
02:51:44,550 --> 02:51:40,160
written

4356
02:51:47,269 --> 02:51:44,560
paper where lonnie wrote down the real

4357
02:51:48,950 --> 02:51:47,279
emblem or whatever it was and uh how

4358
02:51:50,950 --> 02:51:48,960
they flipped it upside down or whatever

4359
02:51:52,870 --> 02:51:50,960
i mean that was just like such a nugget

4360
02:51:54,389 --> 02:51:52,880
you know you you wouldn't get any place

4361
02:51:56,150 --> 02:51:54,399
else but seeing this film

4362
02:51:58,309 --> 02:51:56,160
yeah and you've got the original uh you

4363
02:52:01,110 --> 02:51:58,319
know you've got the air force

4364
02:52:01,590 --> 02:52:01,120
uh guys there you've got zamora's boss

4365
02:52:04,950 --> 02:52:01,600
and

4366
02:52:08,389 --> 02:52:04,960
of that

4367
02:52:11,910 --> 02:52:08,399
uh uh being brought out it's uh

4368
02:52:14,230 --> 02:52:11,920
a truly edge of your seat of filmmaking

4369
02:52:15,190 --> 02:52:14,240
and he really did take it to that level

4370
02:52:17,429 --> 02:52:15,200
but

4371
02:52:18,630 --> 02:52:17,439
all right let's let's let me ask you

4372
02:52:23,110 --> 02:52:18,640
this and

4373
02:52:26,150 --> 02:52:23,120
uh um going back to

4374
02:52:26,550 --> 02:52:26,160
rua and the reason why i i think that

4375
02:52:30,550 --> 02:52:26,560
that

4376
02:52:34,550 --> 02:52:32,150
are my three favorite i mean they're

4377
02:52:35,110 --> 02:52:34,560
just amazing now so yes i'm glad you

4378
02:52:37,670 --> 02:52:35,120
bring this

4379
02:52:39,110 --> 02:52:37,680
up because people outside of the ufo

4380
02:52:41,830 --> 02:52:39,120
community they've never heard of

4381
02:52:43,830 --> 02:52:41,840
rua people outside of the ufo community

4382
02:52:47,110 --> 02:52:43,840
have never heard of westall

4383
02:52:49,830 --> 02:52:47,120
and right and and so

4384
02:52:50,150 --> 02:52:49,840
for for people to learn about ufology

4385
02:52:52,710 --> 02:52:50,160
this

4386
02:52:54,550 --> 02:52:52,720
isn't roswell right most people have

4387
02:52:57,590 --> 02:52:54,560
heard of roswell

4388
02:53:00,790 --> 02:52:57,600
this is a totally different approach uh

4389
02:53:01,750 --> 02:53:00,800
to filmmaking and when you when you go

4390
02:53:05,590 --> 02:53:01,760
and you see that

4391
02:53:08,630 --> 02:53:05,600
rua segment and thinking about

4392
02:53:12,630 --> 02:53:08,640
these are kids and you get to see them

4393
02:53:14,230 --> 02:53:12,640
as adults just an unbelievable case for

4394
02:53:16,070 --> 02:53:14,240
the world to see

4395
02:53:18,230 --> 02:53:16,080
let alone somebody like you but the rest

4396
02:53:20,389 --> 02:53:18,240
of the world that has no idea

4397
02:53:21,670 --> 02:53:20,399
that cases like this are occurring

4398
02:53:24,870 --> 02:53:21,680
around the world in our

4399
02:53:26,309 --> 02:53:24,880
elementary schools absolutely and you

4400
02:53:27,590 --> 02:53:26,319
know i was a child when i had my

4401
02:53:30,790 --> 02:53:27,600
experience i was

4402
02:53:34,389 --> 02:53:30,800
9 almost 10 years old so it really sang

4403
02:53:37,510 --> 02:53:34,399
to me as from my experience to see

4404
02:53:39,990 --> 02:53:37,520
that these other children had the very

4405
02:53:43,110 --> 02:53:40,000
same experience and to see their

4406
02:53:45,190 --> 02:53:43,120
interviews as adults really i feel a

4407
02:53:47,110 --> 02:53:45,200
kindred soul to them because

4408
02:53:49,190 --> 02:53:47,120
you know i know what it's like as a

4409
02:53:51,670 --> 02:53:49,200
child to have an experience and then now

4410
02:53:53,510 --> 02:53:51,680
to be an adult so many years later

4411
02:53:55,349 --> 02:53:53,520
and how you look back on your life and

4412
02:53:57,510 --> 02:53:55,359
the effect it's really had

4413
02:53:58,870 --> 02:53:57,520
and so they were really meaningful

4414
02:54:02,309 --> 02:53:58,880
interviews to me and

4415
02:54:06,150 --> 02:54:02,319
though the two elementary school

4416
02:54:09,190 --> 02:54:06,160
events were really really powerful to me

4417
02:54:10,389 --> 02:54:09,200
and um it's so curious as to why these

4418
02:54:14,070 --> 02:54:10,399
crafts

4419
02:54:16,710 --> 02:54:14,080
um were you know are attracted to

4420
02:54:17,190 --> 02:54:16,720
you know maybe the innocence of children

4421
02:54:23,110 --> 02:54:17,200
um

4422
02:54:24,870 --> 02:54:23,120
was something that really pulled up my

4423
02:54:26,710 --> 02:54:24,880
heart's strings and was

4424
02:54:28,630 --> 02:54:26,720
i was so grateful to see that covered in

4425
02:54:32,070 --> 02:54:28,640
such beautiful detail

4426
02:54:34,230 --> 02:54:32,080
and um that was really

4427
02:54:35,750 --> 02:54:34,240
just you know i there's so many points

4428
02:54:36,950 --> 02:54:35,760
in the film that i'd say that's worth

4429
02:54:39,110 --> 02:54:36,960
the price of admission

4430
02:54:40,950 --> 02:54:39,120
but it's all of it i mean you could

4431
02:54:42,309 --> 02:54:40,960
watch five minutes of that film and i

4432
02:54:43,910 --> 02:54:42,319
would say it's worth

4433
02:54:45,830 --> 02:54:43,920
the price of admission because there's

4434
02:54:49,190 --> 02:54:45,840
so many good points and

4435
02:54:52,630 --> 02:54:49,200
um information in it and anybody who

4436
02:54:54,630 --> 02:54:52,640
has no idea about this whole subject

4437
02:54:55,910 --> 02:54:54,640
if they were to see this as like their

4438
02:54:58,150 --> 02:54:55,920
introductory

4439
02:54:59,910 --> 02:54:58,160
it would be really a good film for them

4440
02:55:03,429 --> 02:54:59,920
to see because it's such an

4441
02:55:05,990 --> 02:55:03,439
accurate kind of timeline chronicle

4442
02:55:07,910 --> 02:55:06,000
of the biggest cases or the most famous

4443
02:55:10,550 --> 02:55:07,920
cases and it's some that are not

4444
02:55:11,349 --> 02:55:10,560
quite famous obviously now i wanted to

4445
02:55:15,429 --> 02:55:11,359
ask you

4446
02:55:19,190 --> 02:55:15,439
um i mean for me

4447
02:55:22,790 --> 02:55:19,200
it's that park bench in in in

4448
02:55:24,389 --> 02:55:22,800
in the west all segment and even for

4449
02:55:27,510 --> 02:55:24,399
james because you can see

4450
02:55:29,750 --> 02:55:27,520
james's reaction but as as

4451
02:55:31,670 --> 02:55:29,760
a viewer right you're watching this film

4452
02:55:32,309 --> 02:55:31,680
and that moment on the park bench

4453
02:55:35,510 --> 02:55:32,319
happens

4454
02:55:39,510 --> 02:55:37,110
you know it's just such an authentic

4455
02:55:39,910 --> 02:55:39,520
moment and it just it just brings home

4456
02:55:47,190 --> 02:55:39,920
just

4457
02:55:49,349 --> 02:55:47,200
i mean

4458
02:55:51,590 --> 02:55:49,359
when you're someone that had this

4459
02:55:52,550 --> 02:55:51,600
experience as a kid and now you get to

4460
02:55:55,750 --> 02:55:52,560
see a

4461
02:55:59,429 --> 02:55:55,760
feature film highlighting it with such

4462
02:56:03,110 --> 02:55:59,439
um you know such grace behind it it just

4463
02:56:06,230 --> 02:56:03,120
it just makes you feel finely heard

4464
02:56:07,990 --> 02:56:06,240
and um it's just really a it's a

4465
02:56:09,990 --> 02:56:08,000
it's a beautiful moment and a beautiful

4466
02:56:13,110 --> 02:56:10,000
film

4467
02:56:15,349 --> 02:56:13,120
from my point of view yes yes yes

4468
02:56:16,870 --> 02:56:15,359
uh and one last quick question uh we're

4469
02:56:17,670 --> 02:56:16,880
at the end of the show but i want to get

4470
02:56:21,269 --> 02:56:17,680
this in

4471
02:56:24,870 --> 02:56:21,279
that uh in the westall

4472
02:56:28,630 --> 02:56:24,880
case there were the reports

4473
02:56:30,070 --> 02:56:28,640
from many witnesses about the military

4474
02:56:34,070 --> 02:56:30,080
pulling into town

4475
02:56:35,590 --> 02:56:34,080
right and then you have the military's

4476
02:56:38,550 --> 02:56:35,600
total denial

4477
02:56:39,750 --> 02:56:38,560
of even knowledge of anything that went

4478
02:56:42,710 --> 02:56:39,760
down in west hall

4479
02:56:44,630 --> 02:56:42,720
you can't have that both ways there were

4480
02:56:45,670 --> 02:56:44,640
too many witnesses and this isn't

4481
02:56:48,630 --> 02:56:45,680
imagination

4482
02:56:50,469 --> 02:56:48,640
is it is that a conflict for you are you

4483
02:56:52,230 --> 02:56:50,479
buying the military side

4484
02:56:54,150 --> 02:56:52,240
are you listening to the kids and the

4485
02:56:56,790 --> 02:56:54,160
other eyewitnesses

4486
02:56:58,230 --> 02:56:56,800
well the kids of course you know i mean

4487
02:57:00,309 --> 02:56:58,240
this is common you know

4488
02:57:02,389 --> 02:57:00,319
look the other way we weren't here or

4489
02:57:04,790 --> 02:57:02,399
it's a weather balloon or swamp gas

4490
02:57:06,070 --> 02:57:04,800
you know all of that so i mean that's

4491
02:57:07,830 --> 02:57:06,080
just par for the course almost

4492
02:57:09,190 --> 02:57:07,840
it almost gives it more credibility in

4493
02:57:12,230 --> 02:57:09,200
my opinion

4494
02:57:14,309 --> 02:57:12,240
is this uh is this the uh the best ufo

4495
02:57:17,750 --> 02:57:14,319
documentary that you have uh

4496
02:57:20,389 --> 02:57:17,760
uh seen yet yes it is

4497
02:57:22,630 --> 02:57:20,399
absolutely i mean it just he create you

4498
02:57:25,510 --> 02:57:22,640
can tell the painstaking

4499
02:57:27,110 --> 02:57:25,520
time energy and effort he blood sweat

4500
02:57:29,429 --> 02:57:27,120
and tears he put into it

4501
02:57:31,670 --> 02:57:29,439
because it's such it's a it's william

4502
02:57:33,269 --> 02:57:31,680
like i said it's like a chronicle of all

4503
02:57:35,990 --> 02:57:33,279
of the cases

4504
02:57:36,309 --> 02:57:36,000
and um and you know i don't know it's

4505
02:57:38,469 --> 02:57:36,319
it's

4506
02:57:39,990 --> 02:57:38,479
fabulous and i highly recommend it

4507
02:57:43,510 --> 02:57:40,000
carrie thank you so much

4508
02:57:46,070 --> 02:57:43,520
uh try to enjoy your holidays just go

4509
02:57:46,550 --> 02:57:46,080
you know come on pick it up a level pick

4510
02:57:52,230 --> 02:57:46,560
it up

4511
02:57:54,230 --> 02:57:52,240
all right jimmy you stay well and uh

4512
02:57:57,590 --> 02:57:54,240
talk to you in 2021 maybe

4513
02:57:59,030 --> 02:57:57,600
yeah i i hope i i hope we do that

4514
02:58:01,030 --> 02:57:59,040
enjoy the rest of your night we'll see

4515
02:58:03,990 --> 02:58:01,040
you tomorrow night

4516
02:58:05,030 --> 02:58:04,000
okay take care good night and i think

4517
02:58:08,230 --> 02:58:05,040
that's a pretty good

4518
02:58:11,830 --> 02:58:08,240
honest uh review

4519
02:58:14,870 --> 02:58:11,840
um to say uh

4520
02:58:17,190 --> 02:58:14,880
that you can feel and see

4521
02:58:18,469 --> 02:58:17,200
uh the emotion and the dedication that's

4522
02:58:22,230 --> 02:58:18,479
put into this

4523
02:58:25,670 --> 02:58:22,240
you you really do and it is cinematic

4524
02:58:28,070 --> 02:58:25,680
see this is the thing uh today

4525
02:58:29,190 --> 02:58:28,080
so much good production out there right

4526
02:58:32,389 --> 02:58:29,200
and if if you've got

4527
02:58:35,910 --> 02:58:32,399
just a little bit of talent you can

4528
02:58:39,429 --> 02:58:35,920
uh kick things up production value is

4529
02:58:42,710 --> 02:58:39,439
everything today this film has

4530
02:58:45,990 --> 02:58:42,720
got that i'm way too critical

4531
02:58:47,510 --> 02:58:46,000
i'm way too critical tonight after the

4532
02:58:51,110 --> 02:58:47,520
show what are we um

4533
02:58:54,070 --> 02:58:51,120
oh oh i'll talk about this

4534
02:58:54,950 --> 02:58:54,080
more tomorrow george clooney's got a new

4535
02:58:57,590 --> 02:58:54,960
film

4536
02:58:58,469 --> 02:58:57,600
uh that is coming out uh tomorrow i'm

4537
02:59:01,990 --> 02:58:58,479
gonna talk about

4538
02:59:03,110 --> 02:59:02,000
uh that uh on the show but there are

4539
02:59:06,150 --> 02:59:03,120
things like

4540
02:59:09,590 --> 02:59:06,160
uh the expanse is now

4541
02:59:10,550 --> 02:59:09,600
out uh season five have you seen that

4542
02:59:13,590 --> 02:59:10,560
the production

4543
02:59:16,309 --> 02:59:13,600
value of that right and it's

4544
02:59:16,950 --> 02:59:16,319
just another series it's just another

4545
02:59:20,070 --> 02:59:16,960
series

4546
02:59:20,630 --> 02:59:20,080
and and that's where the phenomenon is

4547
02:59:23,190 --> 02:59:20,640
right now

4548
02:59:25,429 --> 02:59:23,200
it's got that kind of competition you've

4549
02:59:26,710 --> 02:59:25,439
got to bring the best and that's what

4550
02:59:28,389 --> 02:59:26,720
james has done

4551
02:59:30,550 --> 02:59:28,399
so with that i'm going to get out of

4552
02:59:33,030 --> 02:59:30,560
here i'm really looking forward to

4553
02:59:34,630 --> 02:59:33,040
tomorrow night we've got ronnie dugdale

4554
02:59:35,910 --> 02:59:34,640
on the show for the first time live from

4555
02:59:39,110 --> 02:59:35,920
the uk

4556
02:59:42,389 --> 02:59:39,120
and just like other cases we

4557
02:59:45,510 --> 02:59:42,399
are all familiar with randall shim

4558
02:59:47,190 --> 02:59:45,520
what ronnie did for jay uh for john

4559
02:59:50,790 --> 02:59:47,200
burroughs and his new book

4560
02:59:54,070 --> 02:59:50,800
was to completely painstakingly

4561
02:59:56,950 --> 02:59:54,080
put together a full timeline

4562
02:59:58,630 --> 02:59:56,960
of the renal shim forest incident and

4563
02:59:59,830 --> 02:59:58,640
we're going to be going through that and

4564
03:00:01,830 --> 02:59:59,840
so much more

4565
03:00:04,150 --> 03:00:01,840
tomorrow night here on fade to black i

4566
03:00:07,190 --> 03:00:04,160
want to thank james fox for coming in

4567
03:00:08,150 --> 03:00:07,200
the website is simple it is the

4568
03:00:11,429 --> 03:00:08,160
phenomenon

4569
03:00:14,110 --> 03:00:11,439
film dot com you can go and check that

4570
03:00:15,910 --> 03:00:14,120
out the links are over at

4571
03:00:18,710 --> 03:00:15,920
jimmychurchradio.com fade to black's

4572
03:00:21,349 --> 03:00:18,720
executive producers rita kamarian

4573
03:00:23,030 --> 03:00:21,359
shows produced by hilton j palm renee

4574
03:00:25,349 --> 03:00:23,040
dennis and kevin

4575
03:00:26,150 --> 03:00:25,359
announcers are steve harder gene vettel

4576
03:00:28,790 --> 03:00:26,160
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4577
03:00:29,910 --> 03:00:28,800
kovar webmaster is drew the geek music

4578
03:00:33,590 --> 03:00:29,920
doug aldridge

4579
03:00:35,670 --> 03:00:33,600
intro spaceboy spaceboymusic.com payton

4580
03:00:36,790 --> 03:00:35,680
black is produced by kjcr for the game

4581
03:00:39,990 --> 03:00:36,800
changer network

4582
03:00:41,510 --> 03:00:40,000
and syndication is kgra

4583
03:00:43,670 --> 03:00:41,520
the planet this broadcast owned a

4584
03:00:45,750 --> 03:00:43,680
copyrighted 2020 by fade to black and

4585
03:00:47,670 --> 03:00:45,760
the game changer network inc

4586
03:00:49,510 --> 03:00:47,680
it cannot be re-broadcast downloaded

4587
03:00:50,389 --> 03:00:49,520
copied or used anywhere in their known

4588
03:00:52,150 --> 03:00:50,399
universe

4589
03:00:53,590 --> 03:00:52,160
without written permission from fade to

4590
03:00:54,790 --> 03:00:53,600
block of the game changer network i'm

4591
03:00:57,830 --> 03:00:54,800
your host jimmy church

4592
03:01:01,269 --> 03:00:57,840
until tomorrow night with ronnie dugdale

4593
03:01:11,330 --> 03:01:01,279
i want everybody to be safe

4594
03:01:11,340 --> 03:01:32,830
[Music]

4595
03:01:32,840 --> 03:01:40,310
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